How would you cycle 100 10mg of DBOL?

gazdecki

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I am planning on running a 12 week cycle in October and right now i'm still trying to optimize my cycle plan. But basically it's going to be:

Wk 1-12 500mg Test
Wk 1-4 DBOL ?

My question is: Should I just run 30mg for 30 days?
 
Need more info. Stats, cycle history etc.
 
I am 5'11", age 22, 185lbs, BF 7-8%. In the past i've done 3 wk Superdrol and Phera-Plex for 2 wk (lactated). Been lifting since I was 15. Diet and training are good to g.
 
gazdecki said:
i guess its 30mg for 30 days :thumbsup:
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30mg for 28 days (4 weeks)

Most people take all 30mg like an hour before training on training days and then spread the dosage out on non training days.
 
Lethal said:
30mg for 28 days (4 weeks)

Most people take all 30mg like an hour before training on training days and then spread the dosage out on non training days.
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Not if they are smart they don't. Compounds with shorter halflives are typically and should be split up. It is also adviseable to take them with fats.
 
30mgs til you finish all 100 of em, ~33 days. no use having a couple days of extra sh!t laying around the house. if they're 10mgs, take one every 8 hours. pick up some creatine as well, works well with orals. Dr.D convinced me of that one.

got your PCT lined up?
 
Beelzebub said:
30mgs til you finish all 100 of em, ~33 days. no use having a couple days of extra sh!t laying around the house. if they're 10mgs, take one every 8 hours. pick up some creatine as well, works well with orals. Dr.D convinced me of that one.

got your post cycle therapy lined up?
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do you have a link to Dr. D's reasoning behind that?

I would probably do 30mg for 28days then 40mg ED til you finish them. Maybe your body could use a little boost after going 4 weeks at the same dose...

Beelzebub, you heard of people doing dbol bookends? I heard its actually not to bad of an idea. what do you guys think? I understand there would probably be a crash.....?
 
I've also heard that creatine on oral cycles is good for the lipids.
I've heard that from other sources though, not Dr. D
I'm interested in his reasoning behind that too.
 
pistonpump said:
do you have a link to Dr. D's reasoning behind that?

I would probably do 30mg for 28days then 40mg ED til you finish them. Maybe your body could use a little boost after going 4 weeks at the same dose...

Beelzebub, you heard of people doing dbol bookends? I heard its actually not to bad of an idea. what do you guys think? I understand there would probably be a crash.....?
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nah, i don't have a link to it. it's on this site somewhere amongst the thousands of post that he has. i remember him saying it though, very clearly. i'll do a couple searches and see what happens.

dbol bookends? wtf is that?
 
only prob with a d-bol bookend is the ester of your test, if its enanthate you'd have to wait a while b4 starting pct all the while having declining levels of the test in your system, if its prop then you can start pct right away and keep more of the gains made along with the d-bol.
 
Powerhouse 48 said:
only prob with a d-bol bookend is the ester of your test, if its enanthate you'd have to wait a while b4 starting post cycle therapy all the while having declining levels of the test in your system, if its prop then you can start post cycle therapy right away and keep more of the gains made along with the d-bol.
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was the type of test ever mentioned? did i miss something?
 
Powerhouse 48 said:
only prob with a d-bol bookend is the ester of your test, if its enanthate you'd have to wait a while b4 starting post cycle therapy all the while having declining levels of the test in your system, if its prop then you can start post cycle therapy right away and keep more of the gains made along with the d-bol.
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I dont see what you mean. You could go 4 weeks at the end of cycle. 2 weeks with the shots and after your last shot if it is cyp or enan you will still have test circulating. and when both are out of the system at the same time then PCT. prop might be a better choice but i dont see why it wouldnt work with a long estered test.
 
pistonpump said:
do you have a link to Dr. D's reasoning behind that?
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Beelz is right about this. It was an old M1T thread if I remember, but I'll try to explain it again now. This is the deal: 17a-alkylated compounds enhance creatine synthesis, but at the expense of protein synthesis. Non-alkylated compounds (like test and it's 17b-esters) only increase protein synthesis but don't boost creatine production. Basically, methylation of guanidinoacetate in the body results in creatine. Donors of the methyl group are choline and methionine. Guanidinoacetate arises from a reaction between glycine and arginine. The essential aminos methionine and arginine are needed for both normal protein synthesis and the formation of creatine. Therefore, 17a-alkyl compounds stimulate the formation of creatine at the expense of cell protein synthesis because the two precursor amino acids are not optimally available for both. That means that if you take extra creatine with you're orals, you can free up more aminos for protein synthesis and that's what you really want anyway. It also makes sense to use creatine with non-alkyl compounds too because they are only concerned with cell protein and neglect creatine synthesis. So it's basically a good idea to use creatine no matter what your on! Especially with oral only cycles to optimize the effects or with ester only cycles to add the extra dimension of creatine loading. If you're stacking a high dose oral with an ester, then creatine is probably not as important in that case. Does that make sense? :p
 
Makes sense to me (said as I dump a few grams of CEE down the gullet).
 
thanks D for joining this thread and sharing that info. Is Dbol on the top of the list as far as orals for you? (i see the email addy)
 
DR.D said:
Beelz is right about this. It was an old M1T thread if I remember, but I'll try to explain it again now. This is the deal: 17a-alkylated compounds enhance creatine synthesis, but at the expense of protein synthesis. Non-alkylated compounds (like test and it's 17b-esters) only increase protein synthesis but don't boost creatine production. Basically, methylation of guanidinoacetate in the body results in creatine. Donors of the methyl group are choline and methionine. Guanidinoacetate arises from a reaction between glycine and arginine. The essential aminos methionine and arginine are needed for both normal protein synthesis and the formation of creatine. Therefore, 17a-alkyl compounds stimulate the formation of creatine at the expense of cell protein synthesis because the two precursor amino acids are not optimally available for both. That means that if you take extra creatine with you're orals, you can free up more aminos for protein synthesis and that's what you really want anyway. It also makes sense to use creatine with non-alkyl compounds too because they are only concerned with cell protein and neglect creatine synthesis. So it's basically a good idea to use creatine no matter what your on! Especially with oral only cycles to optimize the effects or with ester only cycles to add the extra dimension of creatine loading. If you're stacking a high dose oral with an ester, then creatine is probably not as important in that case. Does that make sense? :p
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and ya'll expect me to explain that? all i get out of it is : take creatine with orals because Dr. D says so.
 
pistonpump said:
thanks D for joining this thread and sharing that info. Is Dbol on the top of the list as far as orals for you? (i see the email addy)
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Haha, it's really just an old nickname from back in the day. I use to love 'em for their great all purpose effectiveness as a kid.
 
Beelzebub said:
and ya'll expect me to explain that? all i get out of it is : take creatine with orals because Dr. D says so.
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haha same here!

Dr. D, Out of curiousity what do you like now as far as AAS's? I personally have never tried Dbol but i cant wait!
 
pistonpump said:
haha same here!

Dr. D, Out of curiousity what do you like now as far as anabolic steroids's? I personally have never tried Dbol but i cant wait!
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Oh man, you gotta try dbol. It's one of my all time favs for sure! Well, I'm an old man now (just turned 35 yesterday) so I try to stick with the cleaner stuff that doesn't bloat the H outta me or get my prostate too far outta wack. I use to love dbol/test or A50/test cycles, but I'm just too old for that anymore. I like cleaner, non-aromatizable orals (like SD) stacked with the common esters but at lower doses. I'm so busy and my kids are always driving me so crazy, it's hard to stay in shape these days, but I still do a clean, low bloat cycle every now and again.
 
DR.D said:
Oh man, you gotta try dbol. It's one of my all time favs for sure! Well, I'm an old man now (just turned 35 yesterday) so I try to stick with the cleaner stuff that doesn't bloat the H outta me or get my prostate too far outta wack. I use to love dbol/test or A50/test cycles, but I'm just too old for that anymore. I like cleaner, non-aromatizable orals (like superdrol) stacked with the common esters but at lower doses. I'm so busy and my kids are always driving me so crazy, it's hard to stay in shape these days, but I still do a clean, low bloat cycle every now and again.
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awesome.you still pin with kids around? haha. what would you advise a first timer dbol cycle with test eq? I was going to go with 30mgs is that a good spot?
 
pistonpump said:
awesome.you still pin with kids around? haha. what would you advise a first timer dbol cycle with test eq? I was going to go with 30mgs is that a good spot?
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Yeah, 30mg is fine w/ half a g of the others. And No! Never pin with the kids around! Too many questions to answer after that..
 
DR.D said:
Yeah, 30mg is fine w/ half a g of the others. And No! Never pin with the kids around! Too many questions to answer after that..
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thanks. Im gonna hit 500test 600eq (got 300mg/ml) probably 13-14 weeks. do you see a problem with a little more eq than test? i dont think there is. I heard of some people using dbol the last portion of a cycle too, is that reasonable?
 
pistonpump said:
thanks. Im gonna hit 500test 600eq (got 300mg/ml) probably 13-14 weeks. do you see a problem with a little more eq than test? i dont think there is. I heard of some people using dbol the last portion of a cycle too, is that reasonable?
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Yeah, that's a good place to start. You can fine tune from there. A dbol kickstart and a dbol finish while you wait for the esters to clear.
 
Dr. D Is it advisable to use creatine during a superdrol cycle? I read further up this post that 17a-alkylated compounds benefit from this. I just wanted to be sure.
 
Yes, it can only help, but it's very important when no orals are used and during PCT especially. With dbol, at least use creatine on w/o days if nothing else.
 
Ubiquitous said:
creatine with orals is a good, good... good good good thing.
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Yeah, what he said! Scientifically speaking it's not super-great but it's good. It's like good but actually gooder that plain, regular good. More like goooody good good or something. :) :p
 
I would do 5ad of dbol for 10 days break it into 3 doses because if you them all at once youll only absorb so much. Then start the test a half a cc eod because it will stay peaked and you wont have spikes , then finish with EQ . my OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh after you run out of test then do the other 50 Ds with the EQ
 
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