IFBB Pro's advice on Gear

[gten79]

I read this on another forum and thought it would be interesting read for many here.

GEAR
"You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains. That's why I do not believe in set time frames
for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the
oral, you need to use all the liver aids available - Synthergine,
Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc. Of course you
cannot drink or do rec drugs during that time. Using
these precautions, your blood tests will be OK.
You also need to use an anti estrogen like Nolvadex at
10mg/d throughout the whole time. Also, you have a
choice between HCG every 4 weeks at 5000IU or Clomid
at 50mg EOD. These will make sure that your balls will
stay at a decent size and they will not forget how to
function.
The blood tests that you need are: full blood count,
liver and kidney function tests, FSH, LH, TSH,
cholesterol.
If the Total protein test in the liver tests is high,
that is because of your diet. You need to keep an eye
on the Billirubin and Urea test results. Your FSH and
LH will be suppressed - that's normal because of the
gear. If the TSH is low, add 20mcg/d T3. If the kidney
function is off, then drink more. Protein stresses the
kidneys, so you need more fluids.
When you eventually come off the gear, you make sure
that you are off the orals. Then cut out the anabolic
over 2 weeks. Then the testosterone over 3 weeks. One
week after that, you need to add primo tabs or anavar
(oxandrin) for 3 weeks. That will ensure that you will
keep your gains.
Ideally do a gainkeeper's formula that is outlined in another article.

These are the basic principles behind muscle growth. You do the above you will GROW, no matter what."

[Beowulf]

Interesting post. Doesn't seem to ridiculous or extreme, but from what I've read, I don't think those rare surges of high dose HCG are a good idea. The greater freq w/ lower dose seems the best way to not further disrupt the HPTA.

[BLANE]

very interesting post, so basically this particular pro stays geared year round.

[Sticks]

All pros are on year round. And a lot of recreational bodybuilders too.

[size]

Constantly being "on"(for the most part) is part of the lifestyle.

[CHAPS]

That's Big A owner of professionalmuscle who wrote that.

[gten79]

According to Big A, his teachings go exactly against just about everything I've read here on AM. As far as safety is concerned I was always under the impression that the time spent on cycle is the time that needs to spent off cycle? As long as you feel well to many PCT isn't really a concern. Its just crazy to me that these guys spend the majority of time on cycle.

[size]

As far as safety is concerned I was always under the impression that the time spent on cycle is the time that needs to spent off cycle? As long as you feel well to many post cycle therapy isn't really a concern.

For the individual who is trying to make professional bodybuilding a career, then they often choose different methods out of necessity. However, the majority of members at AM are not trying to be professional bodybuilders and therefore they choose to discuss healthier options.

[glenihan]

i'd like to mention that i don't necessarily believe nor do i follow the time on = time off

yes if you do an 8 week cycle i think you should be off for 8 weeks .. however if you do a 20 week cycle i don't think you need to be off for 20 weeks at all (especially if PCT is done properly and HCG was used during cycle) i believe 8 weeks is still sufficient (and my personal blood tests have confirmed this at least for my body)

[mixedup]

According to Big A, his teachings go exactly against just about everything I've read here on AM. As far as safety is concerned I was always under the impression that the time spent on cycle is the time that needs to spent off cycle? As long as you feel well to many post cycle therapy isn't really a concern. Its just crazy to me that these guys spend the majority of time on cycle.

Yes remember these are Pro's so what they do is going to be VERY DIFFERENT. Making a living doing this and just wanting to look good or get stronger like the majority of us on here is the difference between the advice given.

[size]

i'd like to mention that i don't necessarily believe nor do i follow the time on = time off

I tend to agree with you but it is an easy protocol follow. More important than time on/off, in my opinion, is blood panel resutls and overall health. The final determining factor should always be one's health.

[CHAPS]

I agree with Glenihan and i go by bloodwork. Also I want to compete one day and i don't believe it's necessary to be on year round, not steroids anyway, you just use slin, igf-1, gh etc when off of gear.

[pistonpump]

Interesting post. Doesn't seem to ridiculous or extreme, but from what I've read, I don't think those rare surges of high dose HCG are a good idea. The greater freq w/ lower dose seems the best way to not further disrupt the HPTA.

yes i have read that with very high doses of HCG it creates alot of estrogen activity as well and almost shocks the hormonal balance, like a crackhead hits an eightball. 5days straight each month of 250-500iu is the best.

[pistonpump]

Constantly being "on"(for the most part) is part of the lifestyle.

im sure you dont, or do you? ;]

[size]

im sure you dont, or do you? ;]

Not me, as I do not use anabolic steroids.

[BLANE]

do you guys think there are any pros(top20-25) that don't stay on year round?

[Irish Cannon]

do you guys think there are any pros(top20-25) that don't stay on year round?

yes...and just to add, i think they look the best. im sick of looking at coleman and cutler. the only top physique i think looks good is dexter.

[PVSkyHigh]

yes...and just to add, i think they look the best. im sick of looking at coleman and cutler. the only top physique i think looks good is dexter.

I second this. I think Dexter Jackson looks phenomenal. He is big but super cut. I also thought Kevin Levrone has an awesome physique.

[mixedup]

do you guys think there are any pros(top20-25) that don't stay on year round?

I don't think so I think the ones that look best are the ones who probablly use more of a cruising dosage and less hgh so their waist doesnt get all distended.

[Beelzebub]

do you guys think there are any pros(top20-25) that don't stay on year round?

no, they're on 100% of the time. dosages and compounds vary though. i'm curious as to who ya'll think in the top 25 that actually comes off. and why would you begin to think that?