What type of doses are you guys using? Considering it's practically Turinabol i'd run it like that, 50-75mg for 8 weeks is what i'd do. Anyone go that high?
Hmax IS as effective as Halodrol
Hmax IS NOT as effective as Halodrol.
I havn't tried either so I don't know.
hmm. yeah, good question, one i haven't really seen asked. i have an acquaintence who works out where i do and who worked at the "Vitamin World" in my area (before it close [sniff] (i liked their B-complex)). he wanted to go on more of a "cutter" cycle and so he bought one of my H-Maxes (grr). he was enjoying the experience, several days in, no major uplifting sides or anything, just said he felt good. he was used to m1t though, and seemed disappointed that it wasn't going to be as anabolic.Originally Posted by CHAPS
he's a big guy, though. well over 200 pounds, i'll be sure to ask him if he's going to dose up to 75mg.
my impression was that many people who go on h-50/h-max are the kind who don't just want gains, they are also concerned with hepatotoxicity, so they don't try to maximize gains by upping the dosage.
i must say, after that relatively light h-50 cycle and the light novedex cycle i haven't had any problems at all. and my recovery is still great (especially with consistent training). i had no depression, apathy, libido problems. with light novedex there was only the initial endogenous test androgenicity, and possibly the active compound's effects in my brain. but after the first few days on the post cycle therapy estrogen-blocker that really levels off. no PCT blahs. it was a really nice cycle, however brief. i feel really good. i'm now at 160 after i weighed myself after working legs and sprints, i may have gained a pound of water in the stomach as i perspired quite a bit.
Yeah I think 6-8 weeks would be the sweet spot for a Halodrol cycle. Oral-Turinabol is usually used for that length of time. Maybe a 6 week cycle could be like this 50/50/50/75/75/75. I wish somone would do a log for at least 6 weeks going up to 75mg or more.
It's a methylated product so you probably won't be seeing that done on this board. Most on this board keep the methyls to 3-4wk cycles due to hepatoxcity. That's just the way of thinking around here. That being said though you might be able to find a 6-8 weeker on some of the other boards.Originally Posted by leetuser
I'd do with but with test, for those who don't wanna go that route they should use 4-ad+H. Also alot of guys use T-bol for 6-8 weeks with 60mg+ no problem. It's not really harsh stuff.
Originally Posted by stxnas
I'm new to pro-hormones and wanna learn more about them, what is hepatoxicity?
hepato, like hepatocytes. hepato is to liver as renal is to kidneys. cardiac/heart, etc..
even though liver protectants are commonly recommended there is the idea that some of these herbs and amino acids that help protect the liver and increase detoxifying substances in the liver cells may not be efficacious enough to bother with (this may be more common on other boards). but the liver's products, the cholesterol and lipid profiles when people get tested, usually after the cycle, seems to be quite effected by the anabolic compounds.
I would have just said liver toxicity!Originally Posted by Gokmog
gwahhh.. [Gokmog's head falls to keyboard as liver shuts down]
Forget it. I don't care anymore.
HMAX WAS PURE BUNK for myself and TWO buddies of mine. Didn't get crap from it. Not a thing. Emailed Prometabolix and he didn't do crap about it... said, "well that's too bad, some reporting good and some bad."
Sorry, all 3 of us got NOTHING from it at all. Period. We're not some little boys who don't know what we're doing with diet and training either. Anyway, stay clear of HMAX.... it's completely bunk in my eyes. I could have got more from eatting kittens and sand.
Now try the GL stuff and see if you get any different results. I used HMAX, and it worked WONDERFULLY for me. It takes about 3 weeks to really start working. Stack it MTRN and MZOL, and you'll see a KICKA$$ bunch of results!Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
Nah, i'm on test/deca right now. no more of this bunk stuff...Originally Posted by 12many
Awe, lucky!!! Hope you're ready for some water retention though...you're going to get hyooge!!!Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
What were your results from the Hmax....anything at all?
Oh yeah... water retention is high! LOL... but all is going very well.Originally Posted by stxnas
From FOUR WEEKS of HMAX, gained 4 lbs... and it was ALL because I was eating like a horse.... my 2 other boys, they were at about the same. Here's the deal, no sides, no shrinkage, nothing. Not a damn thing.
It was bunk. No doubt about it as far as I'm concerned.
I wonder if some of it ended up being underdosed? I think NP had the same problem with their H product...I think it was called Atomic H.
That's the only thing I can think of. I mean, betwee 3 of us, ONE OF US should have noticed SOMETHING. Not very happy about it at all. We're ALL non-responders? I don't buy it.Originally Posted by stxnas
Bah.... I had another buddy try it out, pretty experienced guy and he was going to dose it higher to see if it was underdosed. He finally said F it too...
Some others have said that they tried Hmax and it was just like H50...it'll be interesting to see how this goes in the future...more and more will start using their stash and then we'll really be able to make some comparisons. Good luck on your current routine...You're going to put on some major size!
You never know until you try. If I had what you have I would be willing to give that a try. Maybe you could do a four week cycle 1 pill of H50 each day and then 2 Hmax pills e/d (start low and taper up and that should account for everything in four weeks).
I did hmax for 2 weeks @ 75mgs a day (it's a clone so I upped the doseage) and strength went up during week 2 . . to me it works but I have never done HD-50 so I cant compare the two . . I had to drop hmax @ 2 wks b/c I got sore nipplage which has never happened to me.