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I ran a 6wk cycle of 1-AD (a weak one) 400mg was the highest I ever went at age 20. Ran proper supports, ran proper pct, Nolva+6oxo.

Well I'm not a pimply guy really and ever since I finished the PCT I have had a ton of pimples on my shoulder and back. For like 3 months now. Everyday a new blemish appears and it is pissing me off. I always pick at it to get the puss out, but then I'm just all red looking. What gives? I never had this problem before and last year I worked at a beach club where my shirt was always off. There's no way I'd even consider going back to that job because of this.

Should I see a dermatologist and have them prescribe me something?


What do you guys do?
 
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Are you currently taking anythin OTC to treat the problem.
 
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Are you currently taking anythin OTC to treat the problem.


No, I never had a problem with acne before. It's like ridiculous on my shoulders back and even some blemishes on my arm currently. I hope to god I did not screw something up in my endocrine system?
 
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Picking them won't help, they're likely just to come back looking more pissed off than before. Get yourself a B5 skin supplement and if that doesn't work goto your doctor and see if you can't get gels/antibiotics and if that doesn't work ask to get put onto Accutane.
 
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I too have that issue, just bulk b5 at a few grams a day or are there specific products??
 
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i'm getting ready to try nizoral. I've read that it can help with backne, so we'll see. the stuff my dr. gave me didnt do crap, it was some liquid roll on. You also might try getting some more sun too, that can help with acne.
 
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scrub a dub dub!! what kind of soap are you using?
 
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agghh you kids these days and your zits. In my day, all we needed was the sunshine and a swimming pool. Chlorine and Sun is the magic potion for keeping them at bay. :D

Your hormones are most likey still elevated from the cycle, I'd think that it will tame down in a few weeks.
 
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LOL Viper


as for soap I'm using, I always use bodywash like dove, swiss, whatever, something that smells gooooood. Bar soap is death.

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Steroid Side Effects: Fight Acne with Shampoo? by Anthony Roberts

One of the most notorious side effects experienced with the use of Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids is the development of Acne. This is, for the more hardcore users, not too big of a deal. Granted, if you are three hundred pounds ripped, are balding with a permanent red face from high blood pressure, and develop a bunch of zits suddenly, that last part is probably the least of your concerns. Large oil filled zits just aren’t a pressing concern to the next Mr. Olympia. However, for most of us, and especially first time steroid users or females, zits are usually something we want to avoid. Acne is the most media-popularized side effect of Anabolic Steroid use, and (next to weight gain) the most outwardly recognizable.

Females especially, want to avoid this for aesthetic reasons, and it’s actually through interaction with one of the female moderators on a bodybuilding message board that I was most recently reminded of this point. She had been experiencing pretty bad acne from Anavar use, but she couldn’t find a suitable answer for how to get rid of it. The most typical answer to the question was “use Retin-A,” which was spouted by nearly everyone she spoke to. It is unfortunate that Retin-A, for many reasons, is a very poor choice for her purposes (one reason being it doesn’t address the cause of the acne appropriately, and it is also a prescription medication). In this particular case, I told her to take some Nizoral (Ketoconazole) Shampoo and rub it on her back and face as a body wash. Huh? What? Shampoo on your face and back? Shampoo is for your hair! Yeah, well that’s what everyone thought. Until now. Okay, I know: shampoo on your face is weird. But, I wouldn’t be writing for Mind and Muscle if I wasn’t three things:

a.) Weird (in the public’s eye)

b.) Creative

c.) Weird

Now, let’s talk about DHT and how it causes acne. We will then discuss why using Nizoral shampoo would be good for getting rid of acne. Development of AAS-related acne and the extent to which it is experienced can be due to a number of varying factors, with the steroids and dosages used being primary factors. It has been established that the receptors of the sebaceous glands have a particularly high affinity to Dihydrotestosterone (1)(2)(3). Anecdotally, it would also seem that DHT-derivations (Winstrol, etc…) cause more acne than others (Testosterone or 19-Nor derived steroids). Thus, we can also safely assume that steroids, which are affected by the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and turned into DHT in the body, will also be highly probable to cause acne. Increased sebaceous gland activity causes oily skin, and this, in combination with bacteria and dead skin caused by normal wear and tear, then causes pores to become clogged more quickly than the body can deal with them (or than you can exfoliate or unclog them). This causes visible acne and generally terrible looking skin.

So DHT is a primary culprit in all those nasty zits, right? Well, stay with me here, because the next part may get slightly complicated. Nizoral shampoo (the chemical in it is Ketoconazole) is actually a topical anti-androgen. Remember, the catalyst for acne is initially DHT (an androgen) and the sebaceous activity it causes. When used topically, in shampoo form, this particular compound’s effects are limited to the skin/scalp and are not systemic (affecting the whole body) unless you take it orally (drink the shampoo). Ketoconazole’s pharmacokinetics have been studied with oral ingestion (they make a pill, you don’t drink the shampoo of course), and it has been determined that even orally, it is effective against acne, because oral ketoconazole has three delivery routes to the skin (4):

1. Passive uptake by keratinocytes in the basal layer

2. Excretion through the sweat glands

3. (The important one) A massive excretion through the sebaceous glands

In that same study, sebum levels compared with the plasma levels are very high, even with oral ingestion (4), which prompted researchers to simply create a shampoo from the base chemical (Ketoconazole) to prevent androgenic alopecia (balding) caused by DHT. Unfortunately, oral ingestion of an anti-androgen will cause an anti-anabolic effect as well. However, there is almost no effective plasma level to cause an anti-androgenic effect in your body when you topically apply it (4). So this should keep anyone from needlessly worrying about the possibility of an anti-anabolic effect to be had from topically applying Nizoral (even though it’s technically an anti-androgen).

Lets back up a bit and let me give you a little background on how I stumbled on all of this roughly 8 years ago.



I figured out that Nizoral would prevent acne when I had some acne on my forehead during my first cycle. I had been using Nizoral to prevent hair loss, and I always got some shampoo on the top of my forehead when I washed my hair. I soon noticed that the area the shampoo came into contact with was free of acne. So, long story short, I started using it as a topical acne treatment and my steroid-induced acne cleared right up. I tried it on my back acne, and it went away. My girlfriend at the time had some acne, and it cleared that up too. A few years ago, I actually looked for validation on my theory, and found it. The study I first found (4) examined the pill form, but the shampoo is the same active ingredient, and won't have a noticeable systemic effect, but rather will have a localized one wherever you apply it.



Interestingly, about the same year that I had discovered the use of a topical anti-androgen for use in preventing DHT-caused acne (steroid related in my case) scientists completed a study basically saying the same thing. Although I had discovered this use for topical anti-androgens in my shower, and they discovered it in a lab, it’s basically the same idea.



The study I found from that year examining a topical anti-androgen and its effects on the sebaceous glands was very interesting. When a topical anti-androgen was used on rodents, the scientists noted that sebaceous glandular and ductal regression was quite profound. This strongly suggests that a topical anti-androgen could effectively counteract endogenous androgens resulting in a suppression of growth of the sebaceous glands while leaving serum concentrations of both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone intact and not reduced (5). This means, for all intents and purposes, that Nizoral’s anti-androgenic effect on your skin will prevent acne, without it having a systemic effect on your body. In simplest terms, it will leave 100% of the muscle building effects imparted by the steroids you are taking totally unaffected.



Shampoo. It’s not just for hair anymore.



References



1. Am J Clin Dermatol. 2002;3(8):571-8.



2. Clin Dermatol. 2004 Sep-Oct;22(5):419-28.



3. Pol Merkuriusz Lek. 2004 May;16(95):490-2.



4. Int J Tissue React. 1988;10(2):111-3



5. Skin Pharmacol. 1997;10(5-6):288-97.
 
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that post is interesting, but ive always had great luck with Irish Spring with the micro beads. SCRUB IT!! and youll see that the pimples just shrivel up and die.
 
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awesome brotha!!!!

GOOD INFO


SOOOOOOOOOOOO getting some, but if all else fails I'll jump in my gigantic in ground pool and do a dive into the chlorine as per Viper


I'm lying, I have no pool, I'm poor :(


Seriously though, where can you get nizoral?
 
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thx guys. Like I said, I should be getting my niz in this week, so I'll keep everyone updated on how it works. I have been tanning lately, so that may also help, but do my best to separate results from the two.
 
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thx guys. Like I said, I should be getting my niz in this week, so I'll keep everyone updated on how it works. I have been tanning lately, so that may also help, but do my best to separate results from the two.


uh yeah...I only wish the sun would return to Long Island! Other than that I have pretty good color from the past few weeks.


Tattoo, where did you get from?
 
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cant post sources..but look around, its easy to find.

go to a tanning bed..that is what i do, much faster than laying around outside, especially since its been raining like cats and dogs here.
 
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i just ordered some Isotretinoin (L-Iso) aka liquid accutane, ill let you guys know how that goes
 
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benzoyl peroxide. 10%...clean and clear continuous control acne cleanser. comes in a purple squeeze bottle. get your skin damp, not wet or it will run. massage it in wtih your fingertips for about 30 seconds and then rinse off twice a day. works great. just do it in the shower. i would stay away from most scrubs since they can irritate the skin.
 
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Kwycke takes Dbol for Acne
not kidding
 
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Hahhaa....tis' true.

I had shoulder acne for a couple months. i wasn't evn working out at the time and I don't know where it came from.

I started dbol a week ago and its been going away rather quickly.

Dbol > Any other acne solution :twisted:
 
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Wal-mart has Nizoral (supposedly - but it's never in stock at my local one....).
 
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i believe there are two different kinds...an OTC weaker version, and a prescrip. more powerful version.
 

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