Actually I took the water retention into play. I saw some almost immediate gains in my measurements and I did discount them as water gain from the 4AD. Following that I should have seen some fat loss, as you said in the mirror or gradual decrease in skinfold measurements from the first week post 4AD measurements, this did not happen either. My diet and cardio remained constant before and during the cycle. Post cycle I used 6OXO and I lost my water gain and then the fat began to come off again. Despite theory, in conclusion, I would say that for ME 4AD was not a good choice to stack with 1-test for cutting.