Cholesterol Impact of various orals

Ninjo

Ninjo

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Hey does anyone who has used 1-AD in the past remember if it exerted the same negative impact on cholesterol values as say superdrol does? What about Phera-plex? Does it wreak as much havoc with these values as SD?
 
Ninjo said:
Hey does anyone who has used 1-AD in the past remember if it exerted the same negative impact on cholesterol values as say superdrol does? What about Phera-plex? Does it wreak as much havoc with these values as superdrol?
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I've been reading more and more about 1-AD/1-T causing liver problems at least (and probably cholesterol issues). For example:

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Word on the street is that PP doesn't single digit your HDL like SD can, but that's just word on the street (and SD was pretty easy on my HDL anyway).
 
Administration of 1-Testo, in contrast to TP, results in a significant increase of liver weight. Our results demonstrate that 1-Testo, even without being metabolised, is a very potent androgen. It binds selectively to the AR and transactivates AR dependent reporter genes. In vivo it has a high androgenic and anabolic potency and increases liver weight. In summary 1-Testo can be characterised as a typical anabolic steroid. It has to be assumed that consumption of this substance is associated with adverse side effects typical for this class of compounds. Therefore, a strict control of its ban is essential.
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Doesn't sound very conclusive aside from the fact that it increases liver weight. There is no mention of hepatotocicity of any form or degree and no data to substantiate it. Historically TP is safe at reasonable doses and comparing 1T, in my mind, does not incriminate it at all.
 
That pubmed article was interesing. The bottom line (what I got out of it) was, since 1-test works, it should be banned.

I never tried (or wanted to try) 1-test until I read that article. Now I gotta have it LOL.
 
1Test is good stuff as long as you can deal with the possible sides. Lethargy and libido being the worst for me even stacked with a healthy dose of test.
 
jediclampet said:
I never tried (or wanted to try) 1-test until I read that article. Now I gotta have it LOL.
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LOL, been that way for me since junior high school...all those anti-drug lectures just got me interested in exploring what all the fuss was about.
 
I just recently got my bloodwork done. I did about a 7 week cycle, I know longer than I should have, of Pheraplex and Superdrol It as about 4 wks of phera and 3 of SD. After PCT and 7 weeks of I was at 36 for HDL which is about the bottom of the barrel.
 
Ninjo said:
Hey does anyone who has used 1-AD in the past remember if it exerted the same negative impact on cholesterol values as say superdrol does? What about Phera-plex? Does it wreak as much havoc with these values as superdrol?
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From my research the 1t/4ad combo is not significantly detrimental to cholesterol levels. I do know that Ergomax LMG hit my cholesterol pretty hard though.
 
parttimer said:
I just recently got my bloodwork done. I did about a 7 week cycle, I know longer than I should have, of Pheraplex and Superdrol It as about 4 wks of phera and 3 of superdrol. After post cycle therapy and 7 weeks of I was at 36 for HDL which is about the bottom of the barrel.
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That's not the bottom of the barrel. I did a 6 week cycle of oral winstrol at 50 mg per day (a low dose) with 500 mg of test per week. My HDL was 4. That's the bottom of the barrel.
 
parttimer said:
I just recently got my bloodwork done. I did about a 7 week cycle, I know longer than I should have, of Pheraplex and Superdrol It as about 4 wks of phera and 3 of superdrol. After post cycle therapy and 7 weeks of I was at 36 for HDL which is about the bottom of the barrel.
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I've seen much worse reported for HDL (single digits after some cycles). Anything above 42 in a male is considered good but higher is always better so it doesn't appear you suffered too much damage unless you had extraordinarily high HDL to begin with..
 
jediclampet said:
That's not the bottom of the barrel. I did a 6 week cycle of oral winstrol at 50 mg per day (a low dose) with 500 mg of test per week. My HDL was 4. That's the bottom of the barrel.
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Holy S**t! HDL level of 4? How are you even alive. Every time your heart pumped blood with an HDL level that low, Cholesterol was sticking you your arteries. And from oral winny? You sure those values were right?
 
CNorris said:
Holy S**t! HDL level of 4? How are you even alive. Every time your heart pumped blood with an HDL level that low, Cholesterol was sticking you your arteries. And from oral winny? You sure those values were right?
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I was the medical technologist who actually ran the test. It's automated so I don't see how it could be screwed up. Just cetrifuge the blood, suck off some serum and run it through the insturment. QC is run on the insturment 3 times a day, and it's a pretty fancy piece of technology, so I trust it.

I felt fine. I suffered no adverse effects at the time or since. I was absolutely shocked (like you CNorris) to learn that my HDL was 4.
 
Perhaps your HDL LDL can go to **** and yet after being repaired much damage isn't done? Now if you don't eat that many hydrogenated oils that scar your arteries, cholesterol levels in the can (for a short period of time) wouldn't really be that harmful so much as you get them back to normal.
Perhaps the liver can run at a high rate for short periods of time without longterm adverse affects if it is pulsed or cycled?
After all that's the point with cycling yes?
 
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