The Truth about Peptides and what you can expect VS AAS
06-13-2006 01:07 PM
The Truth about Peptides and what you can expect VS AAS
The truth about peptides (what to expect)
For all who have been misinformed or mislead about these cutting edge supplements, or those just getting interested, this is a must read!
For all the people out there that looking for instant gratification, these may not be your supplement of choice. But for the guys that are willing to go and bust our butts in the gym day in and day out and we don't need to see an inch added our arms this week to come back and do it again next week because we know that if you keep coming back thatís where the true rewards begin.
Don't be fooled by other companies advertising steroid like effects from peptides like MGF or IGF or any type of GH. Itís a false claim made to make sales. And its place/people like this that are ruining the peptide business. People don't see anything close to the results they got from their last cycle of AAS and immediately think they got screwed or scammed or that peptides are junk and a waste of money. This is the fault of the seller for not informing the client.
When you do a cycle of AAS, whatís next?? PCT of course. All AAS users have the same fears at the end of each cycle. They don't want to lose their hard earned gains. The gains that came so fast and so easy, but can be lost in the blink of an eye without proper PCT. And even with good PCT itís still hard to keep everything. Then there is the other evil. ESTROGEN!!! You are popping anti-e's and AI's and progestin blockers that cost you a ton extra because you donít want those ***** tits or that bloat, or the sudden fat gain. AAS = great gains, followed by anxiety. Now I'm not going to knock AAS they are a cornerstone. They give undeniable results. But at the cost of side effects, and PCT anxiety and cost. So they arenít perfect. You spend your off time trying to maintain, let alone trying to make gains....
Now letís look at what happens during a cycle of peptides. Taken right with good diet and exercise just like you would for an AAS, but maybe not quite as many calories as some do on heavy cycles, you will see some small gains, some leaning out, but no where near the 20lbs of beef you put on last test/tren cycle. You might be lucky with 5lbs over the course of 6-8 weeks. But here is where it gets good. All those gains, there yours, not going anywhere, not going to suddenly start to subside, they arenít going to result in some post cycle bloat, ***** tit formation, or fat gain. In fact your metabolism will be slightly higher from the gains. Anxiety free... no wait!!! Itís better than anxiety free; you should be just as stoked now as when you started the cycle. Because after you do a cycle of peptides like IGF or MGF especially. The gains are going to come better after the cycle then they did before. Unlike AAS where you try to gain and then maintain.
You see steroids make the adult muscle cells (myotubules) bigger, but the bigger these cells get as we all know the harder and harder it is to make them even bigger. These myotubules are limited in size by the amount of nuclei they contain. The closer they get to being maxed the harder for them to grow and when they are maxed well thatís about it.... gains will be few and far between. Myotubules don't divide like other cells so you pretty much have as many as youíre going to have for the most part. Hyperplasia does occur but it is a very rare process. This is where some people refer to the genetics. Because your genetics determines largely your # of myotubules you have, and the hormones that regulate them.
This is where peptides make their mark. Growth factors in short lead to an increase in the potential of the myotubules to grow because they can influence the stem cell pools of the muscle which are their for growth and repair, to fuse with the adult myotubules and increase the # of nuclei. This means they can grow more again, and grow easier. Individual mechanisms for each peptide may very, but this is the overall effect they are all going for. So after taking some peptides you will experience better gains than before, with relatively non existent side effects, no PTC, no anxiety. These are supplements with an investment in mind, a future goal beyond the current cycle, and realistic view that real gains don't have to come in 6-12 week segments but can come all year round.
When you add all that up, the cost of peptides is not as far overhead as you might think. Especially when great companies like IBE provide them affordably. And they do try, I have first hand experience with some of the technology they are using, and they arenít getting gold teeth over at the warehouse off you guys. It cost a lot of money to bring this caliber of products to the market. Peptides are complicated structures, not simple molecules like AAS. But if you in this business for the long hall, peptides have extremely good benefits to offer.
06-13-2006 01:31 PM
nice argument for IGF. However the MGF still seams to be a little iffy. Mixed reviews at best so far. Then again IGF had mixed reviews for a long time, and by some people still.
06-13-2006 01:34 PM
I think once the PEG version of the MGF comes out, it will take over IGF in popularity. But I'll probably end up being wrong.
06-13-2006 01:45 PM
MGF wasnt taken right. You can't know the product comepletely, b/c it was released b4 anyone knew how it should be taken. I have talked extensively about a new procedure of taking MGF over at IBE and everyone that's read my justifications seems to find it quite eye opening. I'm not saying 100% MGF is gonna take place as the #1 supplement. But I do think its getting a bad rap b/c of user error.
Originally Posted by Skye
Besides MGF plus IGF will prob be much better than either alone. MGF should be taken in some way with something else in my opinion whethere that by IGF or AAS. It only increase myoblast. You have to induce the fusion of those myoblast into the myotubules to get the full benefit. Thats where IGF comes in great taken after MGF. They should NOT be taken at the same time. (see my log suggestions)
06-13-2006 01:46 PM
who knows. It may well turn out that the delivery system just need the bugs worked out of it. I am still worried about the IGF being safe.
Originally Posted by idunk42
06-13-2006 01:47 PM
Ya this is a kink that is being worked on, but I can't say much more than that.
Originally Posted by Skye
06-13-2006 02:19 PM
Being a somewhat dim witted chap and a relative newbie to this world 'oh God what is this moron gonna ask?!?' I was wonder exactly if these peptide products, MGF/IGF , are considered pro-hormones rather than natty.
06-13-2006 02:22 PM
nether. they are petide drugs. Hormones of a differnt nature. They are sold as research materials (if what your asking is the legal status). They are actual huge protein chains vs. alcohol based ones like the PHs or regular gear.
Originally Posted by flytrapcan
06-14-2006 11:38 AM
06-14-2006 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by TheGame46
06-14-2006 06:35 PM
06-14-2006 09:41 PM
Game, what sort of dosing protocol do you like for IGF?
06-15-2006 10:38 AM
In the past I have fun short cycles 20-25 days to avoid dealing with recepter down regulation. I am interested in trying the every 3rd day or 2on 2off inj protocol that some people are suggesting for longer cycles. However if you use MGF with IGF and follow my protocols there, you don't have to worry about the receptors because you are taking time of the IGF to do the MGF.
Originally Posted by Beowulf
06-15-2006 12:17 PM
06-15-2006 03:51 PM
i plan on a test/tren cycle (8-10) weeker pretty soon. ive been considering igf...would it be more beneficial in pct?
06-15-2006 05:07 PM
I would run it about week 3 or 4, as well as post cycle.
Originally Posted by Irish Cannon
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