jump start long-ester cycle
- 06-08-2006, 11:56 PM
jump start long-ester cycle
i am beginning a cycle of either testosterone cypionate or enanth. and i was wondering if starting it with m1t or dbol would be a good idea. how long exactly does it take for these esters to begin working? i have heard they take anywhere from 7-21 days to become noticeable. how long should i take the m1t or dbol if i am looking to just use it to start a test cycle? thank you,
- 06-09-2006, 12:06 AM
06-09-2006, 12:14 AM
i am 24, i have only used supplements.Originally Posted by mercedesdd
i am 5'10, 190 lbs, bf 15-20%.
06-09-2006, 12:19 AM
06-09-2006, 12:27 AM
lol.. sigh...Originally Posted by mercedesdd
i am going to do 10 weeks @ 600 mg, or 12 weeks @ 500mg. not too sure which at this point.
i suppose it doesn't matter much anyway-- in terms of my gains, strength........ or my question! is m1t a worthwhile fast-acting oral to take to jump-start a long-ester cycle?! anyone??
06-09-2006, 12:37 AM
You can try dbol !! I think it would be a good kick start for your cycle .. I think 500 mg EW or test would be a good start for you.. Not trying to make you jump through hoops man it just helps us to help you knowing this info.. You can do something like this..
wk 1-4 dbol 35-40 mg ED ( does split through out the day)
wk 1-10 500 mg of cyp or test E ( one shot mon of 250mg and another on thurs)
Since your BF% is kinda high make sure you do a clen bulk( eat as clean as possible) Keep you cals up and make sure you get enough carbs protein and fat from the right kind of food.. If you put on to much fat by eating the wrong way you will regret it later when you go to cut.. Keep your training and diet right as this is the most important aspect of your cycle.. Good luck and keep us posted on you progress...
06-09-2006, 12:51 AM
heh.. no problemOriginally Posted by mercedesdd
i was actually kind of hoping to give the m1t a try for the first 2 weeks (or 4 weeks.. if you say so :P). i know it's a harsh oral. i know it can cause lethargy and isn't a great idea to be taking long-term.. but would it be as effective as dbol to jump-start my cyp. cycle? i can get 14 pills from a friend for free... and i've heard there isn't really much of a difference between the two in terms of short-term effectiveness, so i would really prefer to take the m1t's instead of buying a whooole new bottle of dbol!
do i really need to take an oral for the first 4 weeks? i thought the longer esters kicked in to some degree within a week.. some have even told me 3-4 days before i am experiencing the mood lifts and strength benefits of the test. would it help if i started off the cycle, perhaps the first month, injecting 300mg twice a week? would the extra 100 mg per week make it more noticeable? ideally i would like to just do the test by itself for 12 weeks @ 500mg.. but i am afraid i will have a less-effective cycle if i am having to wait up to a month before i notice anything..
06-09-2006, 12:56 AM
06-09-2006, 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Wandy
Not sure about M1t for a kickstart( someone else can help here) . As far as long esters working in a few days or a week it is not TRUE. It can take up to five weeks or so for cyp or test E to kick in !! Even fast acting esters dont give strength gains in a few days .. I would just stick to 500mg per week of test for the entire cycle ( no need to really use a higher dose for the first month .. Make sure you research you post cycle therapy also.. Hope this helps!!
06-09-2006, 01:07 AM
would two weeks be more realistic? i can get 2 weeks worth of orals.. would there be any boosts from the cypionate after 14 days that could compare to taking 10 mg of m1t a day so that i could go off of it and just let the cyp. take over? i would think i would be getting something out of it after two weeks... i am injecting testosterone.. i figured it would do something within a week or two before it peaks...Originally Posted by mercedesdd
06-09-2006, 01:09 AM
Sorry not sure on anything OTC just prescrption anabolics.. But I will bump it for you for more m1t info!!!!!
06-09-2006, 01:12 AM
not doing anything otc... just m1t (maybe) then test, then nolva. thanks though.Originally Posted by mercedesdd
06-09-2006, 01:16 AM
LOL ya know PH over the counter ( same diffrence haha)!!! It will take more than two weeks for the test to kick in and give you steady blood levels so even with m1t I think you would need a longer period than two weeks for a kick!!!!
06-09-2006, 01:56 AM
yeah i know, but like i was asking.. not having steady blood levels doesn't necessarily mean no test in the blood... right? are you saying after two weeks of injecting cyp i still wont be feeling the effects of the test? i find that hard to believe... then again i am a newb.. lol.Originally Posted by mercedesdd
..and m1-T is definitely not a prohormone... but you knew that.. right!?
06-09-2006, 02:03 AM
I would personally stay away from m1t, that is harsh stuff and I dont see a reason to take it. There are orals out there that are harsh right now, yet still seem to be safer than m1t. Get some dbol or use one of the legal orals to start it off. I agree with using for 4weeks. It takes around 4 weeks for test levels to reach the top and its always nice to have some gains during the beginning of your cycle. Make sure to go easy on dosage for whatever you use and get something to help with the liver and cholesterol and you should be golden.
(hint: anabolic innovations a board sponser here carries a all in one product that helps with lipids, liver, and prostate I believe, its $30 for a month, so perfect for what you need).
06-09-2006, 02:06 AM
M1T not a PH???????? Most dont feel cyp or test E for about five weeks... You might feel a increase in libido but you wont see or feel much for 5 weeks ( give or take)!!!Originally Posted by Wandy
06-09-2006, 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by snakebyte05
Use the Dbol if you can get it. it is better then what you can get OTC in a number of ways esp with the safety record.
Cycle support kicks ass. So does there whey.
06-09-2006, 02:16 AM
i've heard after about a week on cyp or enan you have 5 times the testosterone of an adult man... i would think that would help my lifts... :P::bb:Originally Posted by mercedesdd
06-09-2006, 02:18 AM
can you recommend anything decent that i could get otc? i cant get dbol right now.. just m1t.Originally Posted by Skye
06-09-2006, 02:24 AM
There are several options. I would get the opinion of someone that is more up on them. For myselfI haven't gone near a designer steriod sence M1T. That should have been a wakeup call for a lot of people. I would frontload the test if I was in that big of a hurry rather then screw with my liver/health. For real I don't think that you will need it. by week 5 your going to be having fun.Originally Posted by Wandy
another option that I kind of like is transdermal test. starts working that day. Test prop up front also works well.
06-09-2006, 02:31 AM
Agree on the prop but since it is his first cycle dont think it is necessary plus the Ed or EOD prop injections for a first time cycle is no fun. Dbol would be best I think or maybe a transdermal like you said!!Originally Posted by Skye
06-09-2006, 02:33 AM
i really would prefer to just stay away from taking anything other than the cypionate. i have heard dbol and m1t aren't too far off from one another.. so i'd prefer to just stay away from both if it isn't going to make a big difference.Originally Posted by Skye
by frontloading.. do you mean injecting more for a period of time at the beginning? how much would i need for that? i would like to do 10 weeks @ 500mg a week... which gives me a little over 1000mg to play with.. (20 ml is on the way! )
i might be able to get ahold of a few shots of prop... but i get he feeling that wouldn't be enough to start off my cyp cycle with..
06-09-2006, 02:37 AM
like i said, i'm not able to get ahold of any transdermals or dbol.. i'm not impatient but i want to get this cycle done before september... just my preference. if i have to skip the boost for the first few weeks or so i wont care much.. i can go heavy in the gym without the chems.Originally Posted by mercedesdd
06-09-2006, 02:41 AM
There you go man!! Just go with the cyp for a first cycle and you can add stuff next time around!! And frontloading is using will say prop for the hell of it LOL( for like four weeks ) until the longer ester kicks in!!Originally Posted by Wandy
06-09-2006, 03:01 AM
fontloading is taking more up front to reduce the amount of time that it takes to build up the depot. for a medium long ester like cyp ether double the dosage the first week ( can give you the "test" flu) or go 1.5 times your dosage for the first 2 weeks. If your in a hurry its fine but it is not necessary at all.Originally Posted by Wandy
06-09-2006, 03:04 AM
yea it doesn;t matter much to me.. i'm on N.O. stuff and creatine ester so i like going to the gym as isOriginally Posted by mercedesdd
plus if the cyp starts kicking in slowly after a couple weeks i can definitely wait.. no biggy
thanks for the infos.
06-09-2006, 03:08 AM
hmm... i could go 750mg for the first two weeks... this is my first cycle so i'm trying to keep the dosage low.. but if the results would be significant in the first two weeks i might just go for that and see what happens. if the test flu comes on i'll just drop it back to 500mg.Originally Posted by Skye
06-09-2006, 03:08 AM
No prob !! Skye is correct on frontloading. I made a mistake as I have been on here all day and it is like 3 am( not a good excuse but true none the less LOL) .. Sorry for saying the wrong info.. I need to go to bed! Well good luck !!!
06-09-2006, 03:12 AM
i'm not in a hurry! i would just prefer to have things kick in faster than 5 weeks. it really doesn't matter to me though, i'm doing 11-12 weeks either way.
06-09-2006, 03:14 AM
haha no problem.. i kind of figured thats what he meant anyways. 3:30 am here! lolOriginally Posted by mercedesdd
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