How does my 1st PheraPlex cycle look? advice & opinions?

[pistonpump]

Im 22 y/o Male 6'2' 190lbs ecto. My goal is to hit 200 with gains i can keep. some bloat is okay. I have ran 2 cycles of M1t pre ban and still have some but want to try something new. I bought some supps and am planning my cycle.

PreCycle: 2g Nac, 1.2g Milk thistle ED 1week before
fish or flax oil 1week before(not sure which is better)

OnCycle: 10mg PheraPlex 1st 3days
20mg PP weeks 1,2,3,
20-30mg PP week 4 (depending on gains off of 20mg)
3 tabs AX perfect cycle
fish or flax oil (not sure of a good dose or which is better)
Would like to know which i should add: coqx10, celery seed, RYR, or Hawthorne???

Throughout cycle & post cycle therapy: Whey protein, Casein protein before bed, +3500 calories of food, 2 ON opti-men tabs, 4-5 days workout a week.

PCT: 1.2 g CEE thunder nonWO days, 2.4 CEE thunder WO days
DS ReboundXT (not sure how i should dose) 4 weeks
DS LeanXtreme 3 a day?
4 caps Dymatize Z-force 4 weeks
4g NAC 2.4g Milk thistle 2 weeks
I have some 6oxo too but im not sure which i should use RXT or 6oxo. 6oxo is kinda expensive and i'd like to save it for a stronger cycle.

Should I buy some liquid nolva or E-form(formastane spray)? If I should buy these should i use them if i have signs of gyno or increased estogen or just use it during my PCT? because I heard that PP isn't that bad and Rebound or 6oxo is good enough. Im particularlly concerned on my PCT, because i'm sure my on-cycle is fine.

Can anyone give me feedback on this cycle or advice etc.? I would definately apprieciate any help.

[Mulletsoldier]

Yes, you need a SERM. No, IMO, you don't need RXT. Not to be a **** but you should have all this stuff figured out before. And may I say after two cycles you should be heavier than 190 @ 6'2.

[pistonpump]

Yes, you need a SERM. No, IMO, you don't need RXT. Not to be a **** but you should have all this stuff figured out before. And may I say after two cycles you should be heavier than 190 @ 6'2.

I wasnt going to start this cycle for a couple more months just figuring everything out now. I should be bigger but i was in the hospital this time last year and lost 25lbs.....

so are you saying SERM is what i need, with no AI or ATD?

[jomi822]

Im 22 y/o Male 6'2' 190lbs ecto. My goal is to hit 200 with gains i can keep. some bloat is okay. I have ran 2 cycles of M1t pre ban and still have some but want to try something new. I bought some supps and am planning my cycle.

PreCycle: 2g Nac, 1.2g Milk thistle ED 1week before
fish or flax oil 1week before(not sure which is better)

OnCycle: 10mg PheraPlex 1st 3days
20mg PP weeks 1,2,3,
20-30mg PP week 4 (depending on gains off of 20mg)
3 tabs AX perfect cycle
fish or flax oil (not sure of a good dose or which is better)
Would like to know which i should add: coqx10, celery seed, RYR, or Hawthorne???

Throughout cycle & post cycle therapy: Whey protein, Casein protein before bed, +3500 calories of food, 2 ON opti-men tabs, 4-5 days workout a week.

post cycle therapy: 1.2 g CEE thunder nonWO days, 2.4 CEE thunder WO days
DS ReboundXT (not sure how i should dose) 4 weeks
DS LeanXtreme 3 a day?
4 caps Dymatize Z-force 4 weeks
4g NAC 2.4g Milk thistle 2 weeks
I have some 6oxo too but im not sure which i should use RXT or 6oxo. 6oxo is kinda expensive and i'd like to save it for a stronger cycle.

Should I buy some liquid nolva or E-form(formastane spray)? If I should buy these should i use them if i have signs of gyno or increased estogen or just use it during my PCT? because I heard that PP isn't that bad and Rebound or 6oxo is good enough. Im particularlly concerned on my PCT, because i'm sure my on-cycle is fine.

Can anyone give me feedback on this cycle or advice etc.? I would definately apprieciate any help.

m1t...in retrospect i wish i had never touched the stuff.

if i were you id get the nolva, im of the opinion that every pct should be run with a serm involved. its just the most responsible thing to do.

rebound xt will block both your androgen and estrogen receptors on your hypthalamus while 6-oxo simply inhibits aromatase. id go with the rebound xt. it is a quality supplement and will help your HPTA bounce back pretty quick, especially with only 4 weeks of shutdown.

[Mulletsoldier]

I wasnt going to start this cycle for a couple more months just figuring everything out now. I should be bigger but i was in the hospital this time last year and lost 25lbs.....

so are you saying SERM is what i need, with no AI or ATD?

PP does not directly aromatize into Estrogen. So having something that is going to kill estrogen in an already depleted environment IMO is pointless. Estrogen is a neccessary evil and completely eradicating it is not a good idea.

[pistonpump]

[QUOTE=jomi822]m1t...in retrospect i wish i had never touched the stuff.QUOTE]

I only did two 2 week cycles thank god. i still have about 60 something pills left too.

This is my first PP cycle you think i would get more gains at 6 weeks? .... although i dont have much PCT supps right now

I'll definately get some nolva b4 i start. Anyone have experience with formastane?

[Mulletsoldier]

If you haven't bought your SERM yet, look into Torem, it has been getting awesome reviews.

[pistonpump]

How do my support supps look for this cycle? is there anything you would add or take out? btw..getting great results with Omega's CEE...just throwing that out there

[Mulletsoldier]

Support supps look in check. For PCT (as you'll need 2 months of Supports) look into Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support. Also for Hawthorne Berry, the extract is for more potent then just the berries. And look into some Saw Palmetto for prostate, especially if whilst on cycle urine stream or pressure down there becomes an issue.

[pistonpump]

Support supps look in check. For post cycle therapy (as you'll need 2 months of Supports) look into Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support. Also for Hawthorne Berry, the extract is for more potent then just the berries. And look into some Saw Palmetto for prostate, especially if whilst on cycle urine stream or pressure down there becomes an issue.

I saw Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support but its all sold out! as for the saw palmetto my multi has some in it but if i see signs of a problem i will buy some separate.

Have you cycled PP before? if so what was you final outcome/results from it?

[Mulletsoldier]

I saw Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support but its all sold out! as for the saw palmetto my multi has some in it but if i see signs of a problem i will buy some separate.

Have you cycled PP before? if so what was you final outcome/results from it?

Nah mang, first cycle is not for another few weeks. I just read..alot..like all the time.

[pistonpump]

you've never cycled anything before?

[Mulletsoldier]

you've never cycled anything before?

Negatore.

[pistonpump]

seems like you do alot of research...so you are going to do a PP cycle right? what does your cycle look like? length, dose, pct, etc.?

[pistonpump]

is the dynatize Z-force neccasary or more harm than good pct?

[Mulletsoldier]

seems like you do alot of research...so you are going to do a PP cycle right? what does your cycle look like? length, dose, post cycle therapy, etc.?

Nah I'm doing a 4AD TD @ 500mg ED frontloaded with three weeks of superdrol. If I had my way I'd be doing a 12 week Test E @ 500mg EW, but I have no source. Post cycle therapy will be Novla, Fenu, Powerfull, Retain, Xceed, Maca, and maybe some Trib.

[pistonpump]

ive read good things on 4AD..

are you taking the maca for libido? what made you choose retain over my choice LeanXT?......kind of wish i got retain too.

[pistonpump]

Im really thinking about stacking PP with MegaZOL for the 4 weeks. I already bought a bottle of zol but now im having second thoughts. I wonder if i should just bridge the PP with MegaTRN or just run the PP solo since its my first PP cycle. what do guys think?

[Mulletsoldier]

Maybe run it solo. No scientific reason for choosing the Retain over the LX, more anecdotal. Yeah, the Maca is for libido, but I'm doing a little experiment in low-dosing it with about three-weeks to go in my cycle, so it will start helping my libido once I start PCT.

[pistonpump]

Maybe run it solo. No scientific reason for choosing the Retain over the LX, more anecdotal. Yeah, the Maca is for libido, but I'm doing a little experiment in low-dosing it with about three-weeks to go in my cycle, so it will start helping my libido once I start post cycle therapy.

anecdotal ..anyways...thats a interesting experiment. would like to know how that goes. doesnt 4AD work good for libido anyway?