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    4ad and AAS testing


    I am randomly drug tested at my job. They don't test for AAS per se. However, there is a remote possibility that they will. In the eventuality that I am tested for AAS, will 4ad give a positive result. I want to know whether or not need a defense. Thanks.

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    it will be the same as if you were taking test. things that will affect it are the amount of prohormone you took as this will dictate how much was converted to test and how long ago you took it. for 4ad transdermally, i figure that 2 weeks should be about enough to clear out for a lighter cycle. remember that people who test positive for test are usually using esters which have halflifes of up to a month, but usually a week or two. even if it has a week long half life, it will show up months later as at week 4 after last inject you will have about 1/16 (really less than this because as levels get near physiological, the enzymes are no longer saturated and the breakdown is no longer exponential, but more linear).

    remember 4ad has a short halflife so it will go faster. if you used 4ad-cyp, you may as well have used test cyp, at least testing wise as clearance time will be similar.

    as for an excuse, well 4ad is legal in the USA, so you don't need a defence, unless you are participating in a sport where it is banned. if anything happens, like you get fired, i smell a big lawsuit.

    cheers, pete
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    Originally posted by crazypete
    it will be the same as if you were taking test. things that will affect it are the amount of prohormone you took as this will dictate how much was converted to test and how long ago you took it. for 4ad transdermally, i figure that 2 weeks should be about enough to clear out for a lighter cycle. remember that people who test positive for test are usually using esters which have halflifes of up to a month, but usually a week or two. even if it has a week long half life, it will show up months later as at week 4 after last inject you will have about 1/16 (really less than this because as levels get near physiological, the enzymes are no longer saturated and the breakdown is no longer exponential, but more linear).

    remember 4ad has a short halflife so it will go faster. if you used 4ad-cyp, you may as well have used test cyp, at least testing wise as clearance time will be similar.

    as for an excuse, well 4ad is legal in the USA, so you don't need a defence, unless you are participating in a sport where it is banned. if anything happens, like you get fired, i smell a big lawsuit.

    cheers, pete
    Exactly what I was looking for, thanks Pete! If anyone believes differently, please post.
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    i'm sorry, this is not a matter of belief but fact. the times may be off, but they will vary from person to person and i erred on the side of caution
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    Originally posted by crazypete
    i'm sorry, this is not a matter of belief but fact. the times may be off, but they will vary from person to person and i erred on the side of caution
    I believe you, just womdering if anyone would refute it. I appreciate it greatly.
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    Originally posted by scotty2
    I believe you, just womdering if anyone would refute it. I appreciate it greatly.
    Very good info by crazypete and the only other thing I could add here is the fact that some companies will also look at HTPA balance as well as metabolite concentration.  However, this in-depth testing is usually done by specialty organizations such as sports programs for compliance.

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    it depends on the test that they perform....

    it could either be a GC/MS (Gas Chromotography/ Mass Spectrometry) or a T:E Ratio (Testosterone: Epitestosterone Ratio) test.

    The GC/MS tests for specific steroids and the T:E tests for what was said above.

    for the T:E test, the normal reading should be 1:1, now in the IOC (international Olympic Comittee) the max is 6:1 or 6 parts od testosterone per 1 part of epitestesterone. The GC/MS test is exensive as hell, so the police department would problably do the T:E test first and then got to the GC/MS test next if the ratio is too far above normal.

    Now, you can manipulate your T:E ratio of you know when you are going to be tested, but if the date is unknown, then you might be screwed.

    However, I will not be able to find the artice I read this in, but you will have to tust me on the following facts.

    I read a study about a year ago I guess, and it said how this guy with a normal T:E ratio pinned himself with a 300mg shot of Testosterone enanthate, waited for either 8 or 9 days (so to have a maximum amount of Test in his blood), and then had the T:E test done to him, and his T:E ratio was either 3.5:1 or 4.0:1

    *A factor to take into consideration*

    This guy did the Enanthate shot with normal Test levels already in him, so this would obviously raise the ratios accordingly (the reading might be lower if natural test was suppressed, but this would more than likely be over-compensated for with expgenous hormones and possibly keep the reading the same)

    thats all I can think of for now....feel free to add in
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    DRUG TESTS FACTS

    First, let's dispel a myth. There is no single drug test that will detect each and every substance consumed by you. Each drug must be tested for independently. The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) specifies that the minimum test be for the following 5 catagories (this is commonly referred to as a 5 panel test by the drug testing industry):
    -Amphetamines and methamphetamines (Ectasy will show up here,as well as the diet pill Phentermine)
    -Cannabinoids (Marijuana and Hashish)
    -Cocaine
    -Opiates (this includes Heroin, Opium, Morphine and Codeine)
    -Phencyclidine (commonly known as PCP and Angel Dust)
    * While this is usually the minimal test, additional testing can include:
    -Anabolic steroids (Stanazolol, Nandrolene, etc.)
    -Barbituates (includes Amytal, Fioricet, Nembutal, Seconal)
    -Benzodiazepines (includes Ativan, Klonapin, Librium, Valium, Xanax)
    -Methadone (used to overcome withdrawal symptoms from Opiates)
    -Methaqualone (Quaaludes)
    -Propoxyphene (includes Darvon and Darvocet)

    While not tested for, under NIDA guidelines, here's info on alcohol that might be helpful. It is usually metabolized and undetectable after 18 to 24 hours. If you ever wonder what your blood alcohol might be, after a few drinks, try this link http://home.earthlink.net/~dessyra/form/bac_calc.htm

    DETECTION TIMES IN URINE
    * Amphetamines and Methamphetamines---------------------------1 to 4 days
    * Anabolic steroids (orally)------------------------------------------14 to 28 days
    * Anabolic steroids (parenterally)----------------------------------30 to 60 days
    * Barbiturates----------------------------------------------------------2 to 3 days
    * Benzodiazepines-----------------------------------------------------21 to 30 days
    * Cannabinoids, Marijuana

    Single use---------------------------------------- 3 to 7 days*
    Moderate use (once or twice a week)--------21 to 30 days*
    Chronic use (at least once a day)-------------up to 60 days*
    (*These times relate to outdoor grown "street" marijuana, which has a typical THC level of 2% to 3%. Indoor grown "cryppie" can have THC levels as high as 7% to 10%, so keep that in mind.)
    * Cocaine-------------------------------------1 to 3 days
    * Codeine-------------------------------------2 to 4 days
    * Methadone---------------------------------4 to 7 days
    * Methaqualone------------------------------2 to 4 days
    * Opiates-------------------------------------2 to 4 days**
    (**Hydrocodone and Oxycodone are synthetic versions of morphine, found in pain medications such as Lorcet, OxyCotin, Perocet, Vicodin, etc. Normal dosage of these is not usually detectable as an opiate, but excessive use can be detected. As use of these medications become more wide spread, however, specific tests for synthetic morphine are being added to the opiates list.)
    * Phencyclidine------------------------------3 to 5 days

    FACTORS AFFECTING DETECTION TIMES
    * History of use (the greater the frequency of use, the longer the detection period)
    * Metabolism (a faster metabolism gets rid of the substance more easily, so exercise)
    * Body weight (the more body fat, the longer the detection time)
    * Potency of drug (this is obvious)
    * Tolerance (prolonged use brings higher tolerance and shorter detection times, as the body metabolizes the substance more quickly)

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    Drug testing basically falls under two categories, "screening" and "presumptive". Screening, as the name implies, is used to screen out drug users, either thru pre-employment testing or random testing. It is intended to be a deterrent to drug use. The most common screen test is urine analysis, although a hair test is sometimes used.

    Presumptive testing is used when you actions raise suspicions of drug use. These suspicions can range from slurred speech to being involved in an accident. A blood test is usually administered, in these cases, but sometimes saliva testing will be used.

    By whatever method a drug is taken, it winds up in your bloodstream, where it gets converted to metabolites. The traces of most drug metabolites become undetectable, in urine or blood tests, within a few days, but marijuana presents special problems. While it is the most popular drug and thus the most commonly tested for drug, it is also the drug that hangs around the longest in our bodies.

    It contains a psychoactive compound, known as THC, that becomes attached to fat cells in our bodies. These fat cells slowly release the THC back into the blood stream, where it is then excreted via urine. It is still being released days after the last use of marijuana. The length of time, it is detectable in urine, depends on the potency and how often it is used. This is why a casual user can have undetectable levels after just a few days, while a heavy user may have to wait up to 30 to 60 days.

    Additional factors affecting detection times are weight and metabolism. The bigger you are, the more fat cells you have, making you a bigger warehouse for THC. The higher your metabolism, the faster you burn these fat cells, ridding yourself of the drug metabolites. Being skinny and hyper is a definite advantage.

    Other drugs that hang around for a long time are sedative benzodiazepines, such as Valium, Xanax and Librium. This is okay. Just be able to produce a current prescription before the test.

    Hair testing presents a more difficult problem and a common question is how drugs even get into your hair. Well those drug metabolites, running around in your blood, are getting absorbed by the hair follicles in your scalp. As your hair grows out of those follicles the hair strands are also picking up those traces of drug metabolities. This is true for any and all absorbed drugs.

    Your hair retains a history of drug use for a long time. A strand of hair grows an average of 1/4" per month, so just a 4" length can show drug use as far back as 8 months. Shampoos, bleach and dyes are not effective in masking the drugs, but will only reduce the metabolite level embedded in the hair, never eliminating it.

    African-Americans are at a particular disadvantage with hair testing. Because of the melanin in their hair, which really soaks up the drug metabolites, they can be up to 50 times more likely to test positive.

    Hair absorbation of second hand smoke is not likely unless you're in a very confined area, like a car, and there is an extreme concentration of smoke. Simply being in a room, club, bar, etc., where there is smoke, is not a problem, so don't use that as an excuse.

    As previously mentioned, the most common test is urine analysis. It involves the use of a chemical compounds called immunoassays. These are special antibodies that are attracted to the specific drug or drugs, for which a person is being tested.

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    The EMIT (Enzyme Multiplied Immunoassay Test) is the prevailing test procedure. This is primarily because it is the least expensive method, costing $60 to $100. It is also the least reliable test. The immunoassays used, often have trouble distinguishing between the drugs for which they are searching and other substances in the urine sample. They can bind with numerous over-the-counter and prescription medications, giving a "false positive" result.

    Other immunoassay test are the RIA (Radioimmunoassay) and FPITA (Fluorescent Polarization Immunoassay). The RIA procedure is widely used by the U.S. military. While these tests are more costly, sensitive and selective, they are far from being infallible. The inherent problem, with any immunossay test, is the inability to absolutely distinguish between specific drugs, whether it be illicit drugs, prescription medication or over-the-counter medication.

    If you should test positive by immunoassy testing, demand confirmation by a more sophisticated method. Immunoassay test are so unreliable, the results are not even admissible in a court of law. They are wrong as much as 25% of the time. The laboratories won't admit this and your employer or pending employer are just going to believe whatever pitch the laboratory gives them. Don't be afraid to challenge the test results!

    To top all of this off, you are probably being tested by a laboratory that put in the lowest bid and does not have to meet any particular guidelines. This is what you're up against. Only federal employees and those engaged in public transportation are required to be tested by National Institute of Drug Abuse certificated laboratories.

    More expensive and refined testing procedures are GC (Gas Chromatography), GLC (Gas Liquid Chromatography) and GC/MS (Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry). GC/MS is by far the most precise testing method and the results meet forensic specifications and can be used in court. If you are positive, GC/MS will get you! This test can also be used on all body fluids.

    Blood testing, most often used when there is an accident, will show the real level of drug intoxication, whereas other testing methods only show the presence of drugs. This is important to remember because being tested positive, by other than a blood or saliva test, does not mean you were under the influence of drugs at the time of the test.

    Just as a note, all test results can be flawed by such things as incorrectly calibrated test equipment, contaminated samples, incorrect interpretation of results, clerical errors and just about any other way a person can make a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazypete View Post
    it will be the same as if you were taking test. things that will affect it are the amount of prohormone you took as this will dictate how much was converted to test and how long ago you took it. for 4ad transdermally, i figure that 2 weeks should be about enough to clear out for a lighter cycle. remember that people who test positive for test are usually using esters which have halflifes of up to a month, but usually a week or two. even if it has a week long half life, it will show up months later as at week 4 after last inject you will have about 1/16 (really less than this because as levels get near physiological, the enzymes are no longer saturated and the breakdown is no longer exponential, but more linear).

    remember 4ad has a short halflife so it will go faster. if you used 4ad-cyp, you may as well have used test cyp, at least testing wise as clearance time will be similar.

    as for an excuse, well 4ad is legal in the USA, so you don't need a defence, unless you are participating in a sport where it is banned. if anything happens, like you get fired, i smell a big lawsuit.

    cheers, pete

    im sorry you'll have to excuse my incompetence as im just learning. when you say 4-AD you mean any PH that starts with 4 and is an andro diol? for example CEL h-drol?

    appreciate it
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    Quote Originally Posted by casey2 View Post
    im sorry you'll have to excuse my incompetence as im just learning. when you say 4-AD you mean any PH that starts with 4 and is an andro diol? for example CEL h-drol?

    appreciate it
    No he means 4-Androstenediol specifically. BTW, this thread is about five years old, so you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who posted in this thread still active within this forum.
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    so something likehalodrol in a steroid test would last 14 to 28 days in your system after your last dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcneil0303 View Post
    so something likehalodrol in a steroid test would last 14 to 28 days in your system after your last dose?

    I also need to know that.

    I probably will have a polician opposites, and im running now hdrol at the seconde week ( 25/50/50/75 )
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