1test cyp and 19nor cyp @1fast400

[DoubleDenim]

whats the skinny on these, and if using either whats an effective dosage?
these sound promising

[rjones]

You know they're for injection right, because they probably wouldn't work well for much else.

[Kitchen Chemist]

They also have 1-test cyp. WTF? I didn't notice the nor or 1-test cyp yesterday, did they just add it? Will the cyp ester help with the pain associated with 1-test?

[pogue]

bump
whos gonna step up the plate and try these?

[hamper19]

not me

hehe

[Kitchen Chemist]

Originally posted by pogue
bump
whos gonna step up the plate and try these?

Common pogue give it a shot
I asked mike at 1 fast and he said he doesn't know yet if shot would be painful or not. Only time will tell!

[scotty2]

I know most of you have read the 4ad cyp thread at bb.com. What makes you believe the 1 test or 19 nor would be any more effective?

[jweave23]

no way. If I'm pinning it's the real deal.

[andro69]

Originally posted by scotty2
I know most of you have read the 4ad cyp thread at bb.com. What makes you believe the 1 test or 19 nor would be any more effective?

So does that mean the 4AD cyp was all hype?

[Kitchen Chemist]

I missed that thread scotty2, can you sumarize for me?

[rjones]

Basically the few people who tried injecting the 4-ad cyp got very little gains, less than one would expect from a 4-ad transdermal. I think they even quit their cycles because it was so ineffective.

[rjones]

here's the link

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ight=injecting

[1Fast400]

1-Test has 7x the activity, 4AD has to convert big difference

[rjones]

Some thought maybe the ester effects the conversion of the 4-ad. Apperantly 4-ad isn't anabolic on it's own without converting as some have thought.

[pogue]

I think their dosages were too low

[DoubleDenim]

me too, if i were to do 4ad cyp i would run it at 1300mg a week or more.

[wojo]

Originally posted by 1Fast400
1-Test has 7x the activity, 4AD has to convert big difference

actually even though it has not been proven it could be argued that 4-ad is in of itself a active hormone and has intristic properties before conversion but what do i know

[goes4ever]

I think people who used a gram or more a week saw results, chime in here judo tom

[Judo Tom]

not bad so far anyone can pm me for details.. i was a bit under a gram and i am getting results nothing great so far but i was cutting and doing great now im switchin to bulkin and keeping the protein content very high and slimming down and gaining some muscle i will keep you guys posted..

btw i am going to up the dose just in cae.. sorry not the most scientific way to go about it but i will definately be able to tell you guys what the deal is in a month or so.. i will update but im not gonna give a final nod one way or the other just yet...

[pogue]

Some guy on BB said its best if you frontload with regular 4ad the first and second week. That sounds pretty right on to me, considering with the cypionate ester it might sit around for awhile and take some time to make a full conversion.

My theory would be to inject a half and half of 4ad cyp and regular 4ad to maintain blood levels, and give you a short term test boost. It seems like from feedback, that with the ester attatched it makes a big difference as far as conversion goes, if it converts at all.

But, I don't think anyone really knows for sure and the only way to test it would be for someone to go get their blood levels checked.

So, how about some 1,4andro cypionate Mike?