Can we get more TST feedback?
- 05-18-2006, 06:26 PM
Can we get more TST feedback?
I keep perusing this and other boards over and over and really can't find anything other than the well known logs on here about what TST is actually doing. I was really excited about this product and am in fact trying it now with TRN.
Being I know what Fina is like, even though I'm stacking with TRN I think I can distinquish what effect the TST is having.
What I did notice with this stack is initially libido was up in week one but has significantly died down this 2nd week. This also could be due to an increase is Sesathin I have been taking because I am cutting and doing pretty damn well I might say, losing some significant weight. Along with this is an increase in vascularity which I have seen reported elsewhere.
What I am wondering is, is TST a test replacement? I've been taking 2 caps each of TST and TRN for the first week. Now that libido is dying down I figured hey, the TRN is kicking in, Tren is a well known libido killer, so let's up the test with some TST.
Some days I've added anyehere from 3-6 extra caps of TST, and really haven't noticed any gain in libido. Still losing weight, great workouts, but not that good old horny test feeling test or 4AD gave you.
So the question is what is this stuff? Is it the 4-AD of designers? Does it convert to test at all? Why when I increase the dose don't I feel the effects of increased test? How much do you really have to take if it is a test replacement?
I'm interested into anyone else's feedback because short of the few logs I've seen here I can find nothing.
- 05-19-2006, 03:00 AM
Originally Posted by Work
- 05-19-2006, 08:26 AM
I'm just surprised there's really not more personal feedback on it. I really don't expect anyone to tell us what it is. Is anyone using it may be the next question?
05-22-2006, 06:14 PM
In response to the question in the title of my thread, I would say that my answer is a BIG ****ING NO!
05-22-2006, 09:10 PM
Bro seriously check out my log. It is in my sig and part of the Bioscience forum.
There is other guys logs there.
05-22-2006, 11:55 PM
Thanks for the reply Mr 50. I'm working out my final details (support supps etc) for TST. I think I'll run 6mgs with 100 mgs prostan qd. I also have some transdermal 1-test lying around. I am thinking of (maybe) throwing in a little of this as well. For those who have ran the tst do you think it will offset the lethargy and loss of libidio commonly experienced with 1-test like 4AD did?
It's summer time and I'm looking to cut up a little more without feeling like crap. I do believe that if tst can offset the lethargy and libidio loss from 1-test similar to 4ad, it is more than likely an ok test replacement. For anyone who has ran tst give me your thoughts. (I'm looking to start next week) I have also been off for about 4 months and I think my receptors are ready for a little anabolic kick.
05-23-2006, 12:11 AM
I think that TST is a very good replacement for 4AD IMHO. It seems to impart all of the positives with less of the negatives. While it is not as strong as true test it has some really good effects on libido and well being.
Originally Posted by papa G
05-23-2006, 02:13 AM
This is a little off topic, but I have to ask..Do you think it is a wise idea to toy with your hormones by nonchalantly "adding anywhere from 3-6 extra caps of TST"?Originally Posted by Work
05-23-2006, 06:02 AM
05-23-2006, 06:53 AM
Was there more bloating adding the 3-6 extra caps of TST ?Originally Posted by Work
I am real curious about the upper limits of dosing of this product. Be nice to see blood work. Where is supersoldier these days
05-23-2006, 07:32 AM
PA has suggested that TST was nothing more than methy test and that 4 mg a day wouldn't do anything, close to a 100 would be needed. I personally felt nothing up to 6, and frankly nothing up to 12mg. TRN is another story I never went past 6mg a day.
Anyways I'm off a two week trial of this stack, and have my libido back already which is odd and good.
Overall I'm dissapointed in TST especially since I was hoping it to be a test replacement. Maybe a higher dose is needed. That's why I started this thread because it's like nobody is trying it or talking about it.
Yes Mr.50 I read your log which was very informative and well done, thank you. I read a few others as well but there seems to be nothng from anyone else who's run it besides the initial logs which prompted me to try it.
05-23-2006, 08:17 AM
Well I started off with 6 mg of tst alone for the 1st week in my PP/tst cycle. The effects just seemed to be a more mild pheraplex effect. When I added the pheraplex the effects became much more prominent. Effects= libido boost, strength increase and muscle growth.....
05-23-2006, 10:19 AM
I think there were a couple to a few logs over on Iron Mass if you haven't been there yet.Originally Posted by Work
05-23-2006, 11:06 AM
Would love to read PA's comments if you have that link.Originally Posted by Work
05-23-2006, 12:04 PM
From my post in this thread: TST and TRN MetabolitesOriginally Posted by Pax
It also boosted my libido to an amazing degree seeing as how every other oral just kills me. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being testosterone, the libido boost this provided was honestly about a 6 or 7. Only oral ever that made freaking horny as hell.
05-23-2006, 12:32 PM
It wasn't too interesting, and was basically just speculation...Originally Posted by okboy63
05-23-2006, 12:37 PM
05-23-2006, 03:23 PM
Information or a suicide plan? You be the judge.Originally Posted by Mass_69
05-23-2006, 04:56 PM
It would be interesting if it is in fact, "Methoxy-Testosterone." I mean.. this stuff really does have a positive impact on my libido, and the only other product that does such is regular testosterone.
I wonder if one can make a "methoxy 4-AD"
05-23-2006, 10:13 PM
I can't believe that I just read that whole thread. Shakes head.Originally Posted by CDB
05-24-2006, 07:55 AM
***In a "Nelson" from the Simpsons voice***Originally Posted by yeahright
Oh wait, I'm the one that posted the link
05-24-2006, 08:28 AM
damn i just bought some tst to add to a alri methoxy trn stack sounds like its not worth it...oh well
05-24-2006, 08:49 AM
I don't think that TST is worthless. I will say that it does increase libido. It might make a good bridging tool, along with IGF-1.
But it gives me acne like nobody's business... and I never have acne problems on real cycles...
05-24-2006, 08:50 AM
Motiv8er seemed to like it... but yeah, there's not much feedback overall.Originally Posted by wojo
It's always tough to tell how an individual will respond to a compound. I respond very well to SD (10-20mg/day) & MOHN (12mg/day!), but not so much so with Phera (20mg/day) or M-TRN (4.5mg/day - ALRI version). Not that I didn't respond to Phera or M-TRN, just not as well as expected. On paper, Phera is supposed to be 1.5x as anabolic as SD... BTW I am ~210 lbs.
05-24-2006, 01:24 PM
Dude, half of those people who posted in that thread are utter idiots. Don't take their word for anything. Look at logs of people who have used it and then draw your own conclusions.Originally Posted by wojo
05-24-2006, 02:08 PM
Right..100mg of M-TST..And we here at AM are misinformed?...Interesting take PA.Originally Posted by Mass_69
05-24-2006, 03:21 PM
I think I'm going to try the 100mg's and let everybody know......Yeah right those freakin tards!!Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
05-24-2006, 10:43 PM
didnt even bother readin the bb.com thread im going by the comparisions to 4-ad..i a stockpile of it already so i meant it was a waste to buytst when i already ahve 4-adOriginally Posted by yeahright
05-25-2006, 07:55 AM
To be fair, I think PA was saying you'd need to take that much Methoxy TST for it to be effective if it's what he thinks it is when compared to Methyl Testosterone, not telling people to actually use that much of the stuff. I've read some over at BB.com and I'm with most people here. PA is a smart mother****er but way too quick to badmouth anything he doesn't personally invent or bring to market.Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
05-28-2006, 04:20 PM
To possibly sum it all up...
So I guess from all of this we can say that if you already have 4-AD in your supp supply, then go ahead and take it with the M-TRN if that's the route you want to go (in place of shelling out more $$$ on M-TST).
The 4-AD we know will do it's Test thing while the jury is still out on the M-TST in general.
Would everyone agree? I was wondering about this myself & glad that this thread was already started, I'm sure it's something lots of others would like to know more about as well...
05-28-2006, 04:30 PM
Re: To possibly sum it all up...
I would like to know as well, However I already TST/M-TRN/and some Trans. 4-AD....I can't see an expiration on the bottle of 4-AD anybody know the shelf life. I'm thinking of combining the three, just to finish of the bottle.Originally Posted by hushdrops
05-30-2006, 08:59 AM
From my own experience... TST does something. I can't say that it's some kind of anabolic, but I can speak 100% for fact from my own experience after a bottle that it will DEFINITELY raise libido.... I just can't tolerate the sides anymore and won't use it...
05-30-2006, 12:47 PM
What sides did you experience?Originally Posted by Pax
05-30-2006, 01:34 PM
severe acne.. like all over my body... it almost looked like a rash.. and it stuck around for about 3 weeks and went away only after I discontinued the TST. And I never get acne from any AAS (well... very slight.. but NOTHING like what I got on TST)....
06-07-2006, 06:25 AM
06-07-2006, 11:37 AM
Im on TST right now,.. and I definately notice an increase in my manhood
I took TRN a while ago, with some ERGO, and my libido was shot to hell after 1 week - and ERGO is a good "hardening agent" for me! I couldnt keep it up DURRING sex- had to quite after a week
TST on the other hand, Im really loving it so far- 2nd day -
Great sence of well being! I love it because theres no fatigue, as I definately get off PP, later in cycle with SD.
I take AX's PCT 1 cap in the morning to reduce bloat.
I have read some of the logs, and Im still not sure myself how anaboilic it may or may not be.
Im hoping it does something beside make me feel good as hell.
-If I had a few more bottles, I'd run it much longer depending on how I felt, and what kind of gains, to see if there came a point when sides were an issue, or gains slowed. I am open for donations of course
All in all, I like TST. Cant say what the gains are going to be like yet, but I really do feel like a million bucks!
06-07-2006, 11:47 AM
You running a full cycle of tst solo? Whats your dosage? Keeping a log on this one? I'll be keeping my eye out to see how things go for you. Just got a bottle in the mail today.
06-07-2006, 12:24 PM
Things have been sooooo messed up for me lately, I dont even want to go into it here, as I would be banned for sure -but basicly, Ive been on 3 weeks, gained like 7 pounds, lost 8, now back up a few above normal...Originally Posted by joebo
Anyways- I wasnt planning on TST Solo, but for now it is. Im thinking I'll add H-50 in there eventually (hell, maybe I'll get one dosed correctly, or delivered in under 2 weeks.. )
I'll make a log when something interesting happens.
I really wouldnt mind TST solo, guess I'll just have to see. If not H-50 clone, maybe some TRN (now that I dont have to worry about libedo... whole other story)
06-07-2006, 02:07 PM
As of now are you just on tst? I thought you were on x-mass too? Bit confused..
06-07-2006, 02:13 PM
Just TST.Originally Posted by joebo
I was taking X-mass pre-workout, but had to stop cycle,... kinda due to a death in the family and bad shipping
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