Can we get more TST feedback?

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  1. Can we get more TST feedback?


    I keep perusing this and other boards over and over and really can't find anything other than the well known logs on here about what TST is actually doing. I was really excited about this product and am in fact trying it now with TRN.

    Being I know what Fina is like, even though I'm stacking with TRN I think I can distinquish what effect the TST is having.

    What I did notice with this stack is initially libido was up in week one but has significantly died down this 2nd week. This also could be due to an increase is Sesathin I have been taking because I am cutting and doing pretty damn well I might say, losing some significant weight. Along with this is an increase in vascularity which I have seen reported elsewhere.

    What I am wondering is, is TST a test replacement? I've been taking 2 caps each of TST and TRN for the first week. Now that libido is dying down I figured hey, the TRN is kicking in, Tren is a well known libido killer, so let's up the test with some TST.
    Some days I've added anyehere from 3-6 extra caps of TST, and really haven't noticed any gain in libido. Still losing weight, great workouts, but not that good old horny test feeling test or 4AD gave you.
    So the question is what is this stuff? Is it the 4-AD of designers? Does it convert to test at all? Why when I increase the dose don't I feel the effects of increased test? How much do you really have to take if it is a test replacement?
    I'm interested into anyone else's feedback because short of the few logs I've seen here I can find nothing.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Work
    I keep perusing this and other boards over and over and really can't find anything other than the well known logs on here about what TST is actually doing. I was really excited about this product and am in fact trying it now with TRN.

    Being I know what Fina is like, even though I'm stacking with TRN I think I can distinquish what effect the TST is having.

    What I did notice with this stack is initially libido was up in week one but has significantly died down this 2nd week. This also could be due to an increase is Sesathin I have been taking because I am cutting and doing pretty damn well I might say, losing some significant weight. Along with this is an increase in vascularity which I have seen reported elsewhere.

    What I am wondering is, is TST a test replacement? I've been taking 2 caps each of TST and TRN for the first week. Now that libido is dying down I figured hey, the TRN is kicking in, Tren is a well known libido killer, so let's up the test with some TST.
    Some days I've added anyehere from 3-6 extra caps of TST, and really haven't noticed any gain in libido. Still losing weight, great workouts, but not that good old horny test feeling test or 4AD gave you.
    So the question is what is this stuff? Is it the 4-AD of designers? Does it convert to test at all? Why when I increase the dose don't I feel the effects of increased test? How much do you really have to take if it is a test replacement?
    I'm interested into anyone else's feedback because short of the few logs I've seen here I can find nothing.
    Bump to this- I guess their just isn't enough known. Due to the dosing I don't think it's a replacement for test. I guess I would just like more info than whats on the bottle and in logs ,just like you Work. I'm sure their are others as well. Any info would be great.
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  3. I'm just surprised there's really not more personal feedback on it. I really don't expect anyone to tell us what it is. Is anyone using it may be the next question?

  4. In response to the question in the title of my thread, I would say that my answer is a BIG ****ING NO!

    Damn.....

  5. Bro seriously check out my log. It is in my sig and part of the Bioscience forum.

    There is other guys logs there.

    Mr.50
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  6. Thanks for the reply Mr 50. I'm working out my final details (support supps etc) for TST. I think I'll run 6mgs with 100 mgs prostan qd. I also have some transdermal 1-test lying around. I am thinking of (maybe) throwing in a little of this as well. For those who have ran the tst do you think it will offset the lethargy and loss of libidio commonly experienced with 1-test like 4AD did?

    It's summer time and I'm looking to cut up a little more without feeling like crap. I do believe that if tst can offset the lethargy and libidio loss from 1-test similar to 4ad, it is more than likely an ok test replacement. For anyone who has ran tst give me your thoughts. (I'm looking to start next week) I have also been off for about 4 months and I think my receptors are ready for a little anabolic kick.

  7. I think that TST is a very good replacement for 4AD IMHO. It seems to impart all of the positives with less of the negatives. While it is not as strong as true test it has some really good effects on libido and well being.

    Mr.50

    Quote Originally Posted by papa G
    Thanks for the reply Mr 50. I'm working out my final details (support supps etc) for TST. I think I'll run 6mgs with 100 mgs prostan qd. I also have some transdermal 1-test lying around. I am thinking of (maybe) throwing in a little of this as well. For those who have ran the tst do you think it will offset the lethargy and loss of libidio commonly experienced with 1-test like 4AD did?

    It's summer time and I'm looking to cut up a little more without feeling like crap. I do believe that if tst can offset the lethargy and libidio loss from 1-test similar to 4ad, it is more than likely an ok test replacement. For anyone who has ran tst give me your thoughts. (I'm looking to start next week) I have also been off for about 4 months and I think my receptors are ready for a little anabolic kick.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Work
    I keep perusing this and other boards over and over and really can't find anything other than the well known logs on here about what TST is actually doing. I was really excited about this product and am in fact trying it now with TRN.

    Being I know what Fina is like, even though I'm stacking with TRN I think I can distinquish what effect the TST is having.

    What I did notice with this stack is initially libido was up in week one but has significantly died down this 2nd week. This also could be due to an increase is Sesathin I have been taking because I am cutting and doing pretty damn well I might say, losing some significant weight. Along with this is an increase in vascularity which I have seen reported elsewhere.

    What I am wondering is, is TST a test replacement? I've been taking 2 caps each of TST and TRN for the first week. Now that libido is dying down I figured hey, the TRN is kicking in, Tren is a well known libido killer, so let's up the test with some TST.
    Some days I've added anyehere from 3-6 extra caps of TST, and really haven't noticed any gain in libido. Still losing weight, great workouts, but not that good old horny test feeling test or 4AD gave you.
    So the question is what is this stuff? Is it the 4-AD of designers? Does it convert to test at all? Why when I increase the dose don't I feel the effects of increased test? How much do you really have to take if it is a test replacement?
    I'm interested into anyone else's feedback because short of the few logs I've seen here I can find nothing.
    This is a little off topic, but I have to ask..Do you think it is a wise idea to toy with your hormones by nonchalantly "adding anywhere from 3-6 extra caps of TST"?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Work
    I keep perusing this and other boards over and over and really can't find anything other than the well known logs on here about what TST is actually doing. I was really excited about this product and am in fact trying it now with TRN.

    Being I know what Fina is like, even though I'm stacking with TRN I think I can distinquish what effect the TST is having.

    What I did notice with this stack is initially libido was up in week one but has significantly died down this 2nd week. This also could be due to an increase is Sesathin I have been taking because I am cutting and doing pretty damn well I might say, losing some significant weight. Along with this is an increase in vascularity which I have seen reported elsewhere.

    What I am wondering is, is TST a test replacement? I've been taking 2 caps each of TST and TRN for the first week. Now that libido is dying down I figured hey, the TRN is kicking in, Tren is a well known libido killer, so let's up the test with some TST.
    Some days I've added anyehere from 3-6 extra caps of TST, and really haven't noticed any gain in libido. Still losing weight, great workouts, but not that good old horny test feeling test or 4AD gave you.
    So the question is what is this stuff? Is it the 4-AD of designers? Does it convert to test at all? Why when I increase the dose don't I feel the effects of increased test? How much do you really have to take if it is a test replacement?
    I'm interested into anyone else's feedback because short of the few logs I've seen here I can find nothing.
    Was there more bloating adding the 3-6 extra caps of TST ?
    I am real curious about the upper limits of dosing of this product. Be nice to see blood work. Where is supersoldier these days

  10. PA has suggested that TST was nothing more than methy test and that 4 mg a day wouldn't do anything, close to a 100 would be needed. I personally felt nothing up to 6, and frankly nothing up to 12mg. TRN is another story I never went past 6mg a day.
    Anyways I'm off a two week trial of this stack, and have my libido back already which is odd and good.
    Overall I'm dissapointed in TST especially since I was hoping it to be a test replacement. Maybe a higher dose is needed. That's why I started this thread because it's like nobody is trying it or talking about it.
    Yes Mr.50 I read your log which was very informative and well done, thank you. I read a few others as well but there seems to be nothng from anyone else who's run it besides the initial logs which prompted me to try it.

  11. Well I started off with 6 mg of tst alone for the 1st week in my PP/tst cycle. The effects just seemed to be a more mild pheraplex effect. When I added the pheraplex the effects became much more prominent. Effects= libido boost, strength increase and muscle growth.....

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Work
    Yes Mr.50 I read your log which was very informative and well done, thank you. I read a few others as well but there seems to be nothng from anyone else who's run it besides the initial logs which prompted me to try it.
    I think there were a couple to a few logs over on Iron Mass if you haven't been there yet.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Work
    PA has suggested that TST was nothing more than methy test and that 4 mg a day wouldn't do anything, close to a 100 would be needed. I personally felt nothing up to 6, and frankly nothing up to 12mg. TRN is another story I never went past 6mg a day.
    Anyways I'm off a two week trial of this stack, and have my libido back already which is odd and good.
    Overall I'm dissapointed in TST especially since I was hoping it to be a test replacement. Maybe a higher dose is needed. That's why I started this thread because it's like nobody is trying it or talking about it.
    Yes Mr.50 I read your log which was very informative and well done, thank you. I read a few others as well but there seems to be nothng from anyone else who's run it besides the initial logs which prompted me to try it.
    Would love to read PA's comments if you have that link.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    All I know is that I handle any anabolic steroids well. Do not ever have gyno problems, hair loss problems, prostatic hypertrophy problems, and no acne problems. I do get agression.

    After 7 days on TST, my body broke out like I have never in all my life seen. It literally looked like I had the chicken pox. Small bumps EVERYWHERE on my back, sides, arms, etc. Yes, it was acne. It still has not completely gone away after a little over a week.

    I am VERY curious to know what exactly TST is..... and why it had such a profound effect on me..
    From my post in this thread: TST and TRN Metabolites


    It also boosted my libido to an amazing degree seeing as how every other oral just kills me. On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being testosterone, the libido boost this provided was honestly about a 6 or 7. Only oral ever that made freaking horny as hell.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by okboy63
    Would love to read PA's comments if you have that link.
    It wasn't too interesting, and was basically just speculation...

  16. Quote Originally Posted by okboy63
    Would love to read PA's comments if you have that link.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=731114

    It's about 6 pages of BB.com-isms...

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=731114

    It's about 6 pages of BB.com-isms...
    Information or a suicide plan? You be the judge.

  18. It would be interesting if it is in fact, "Methoxy-Testosterone." I mean.. this stuff really does have a positive impact on my libido, and the only other product that does such is regular testosterone.

    I wonder if one can make a "methoxy 4-AD"

  19. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Information or a suicide plan? You be the judge.
    I can't believe that I just read that whole thread. Shakes head.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    I can't believe that I just read that whole thread. Shakes head.
    ***In a "Nelson" from the Simpsons voice***

    HA-HA!!

    Oh wait, I'm the one that posted the link

  21. damn i just bought some tst to add to a alri methoxy trn stack sounds like its not worth it...oh well

  22. I don't think that TST is worthless. I will say that it does increase libido. It might make a good bridging tool, along with IGF-1.

    But it gives me acne like nobody's business... and I never have acne problems on real cycles...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by wojo
    damn i just bought some tst to add to a alri methoxy trn stack sounds like its not worth it...oh well
    Motiv8er seemed to like it... but yeah, there's not much feedback overall.

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/biosc...t-trn-log.html

    It's always tough to tell how an individual will respond to a compound. I respond very well to SD (10-20mg/day) & MOHN (12mg/day!), but not so much so with Phera (20mg/day) or M-TRN (4.5mg/day - ALRI version). Not that I didn't respond to Phera or M-TRN, just not as well as expected. On paper, Phera is supposed to be 1.5x as anabolic as SD... BTW I am ~210 lbs.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by wojo
    damn i just bought some tst to add to a alri methoxy trn stack sounds like its not worth it...oh well
    Dude, half of those people who posted in that thread are utter idiots. Don't take their word for anything. Look at logs of people who have used it and then draw your own conclusions.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=731114

    It's about 6 pages of BB.com-isms...
    Right..100mg of M-TST..And we here at AM are misinformed?...Interesting take PA.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Right..100mg of M-TST..And we here at AM are misinformed?...Interesting take PA.
    I think I'm going to try the 100mg's and let everybody know......Yeah right those freakin tards!!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    Dude, half of those people who posted in that thread are utter idiots. Don't take their word for anything. Look at logs of people who have used it and then draw your own conclusions.
    didnt even bother readin the bb.com thread im going by the comparisions to 4-ad..i a stockpile of it already so i meant it was a waste to buytst when i already ahve 4-ad

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Right..100mg of M-TST..And we here at AM are misinformed?...Interesting take PA.
    To be fair, I think PA was saying you'd need to take that much Methoxy TST for it to be effective if it's what he thinks it is when compared to Methyl Testosterone, not telling people to actually use that much of the stuff. I've read some over at BB.com and I'm with most people here. PA is a smart mother****er but way too quick to badmouth anything he doesn't personally invent or bring to market.
  29. Post To possibly sum it all up...


    So I guess from all of this we can say that if you already have 4-AD in your supp supply, then go ahead and take it with the M-TRN if that's the route you want to go (in place of shelling out more $$$ on M-TST).

    The 4-AD we know will do it's Test thing while the jury is still out on the M-TST in general.

    Would everyone agree? I was wondering about this myself & glad that this thread was already started, I'm sure it's something lots of others would like to know more about as well...
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