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**rjones** · 04-18-2003 03:04 PM

What kind of 4-ad where you using, T4 at 600 mg a day? Are you talking absorbed or total. Also, were the strength and retained size gains similar to a 4-ad 1-test stack, or how did they compared? Also, how long did you run it for. Thanks for your help.

**dg806** · 04-19-2003 08:14 PM

4/ad was Avant brand. It was applied(600mg). The gains for me are similar to 1-test. You just get a little water retention you don't get with 1-test. The cycles I have run have been 4 to 6 weeks.

**rjones** · 04-20-2003 07:47 PM

Thanks dg. Also, do you know the Advant apsorption rate? Isn't it like 20%, so 600mg of 4aderm is like 300 of T4 a day? This is around the dosing I am considering, for about a 6 week cycle this summer.

**dg806** · 04-21-2003 01:38 PM

No one knows for sure. So I hate to speculate. It's just an educated guess.

**curt2go** · 04-21-2003 02:56 PM

I have done 1000mg sus/week and 500mg/week before(Indian Karachi or whatever it is).. To tell you the honest truth I woul ddo the sus any day. But i'm married now... If you do large enough amounts of 4-ad it will give you the same effect. I have done just 4-ad as well. I love it... No pins and works almost as good. I woul dhave to say that 600mg/day 4-ad is pretty close to the gains from 500mg sus/week. If you run them the same length.... But the sus will take a couple of weeks to kick in... (And yes people will disaggree..So let them.. hehehe)) So taking that into consideration I would say 4-ad is 1/3 as effective /dose as test(absorbed)... 600mg 4-ad/day = 1680mg absorbed / week compared to 500mg test /week...

Thats why I am FRONTLAODING my next 1-test cycle... I will keep you all posted...

**rjones** · 04-21-2003 04:33 PM

Thanks curt. So 6 weeks at 600 mg applied a day should be similar to 500 mg a week of test? Do you think 6 weeks is a long enough cycle to get solid gains?

**dg806** · 04-21-2003 07:53 PM

Originally posted by curt2go
I have done 1000mg sus/week and 500mg/week before(Indian Karachi or whatever it is).. To tell you the honest truth I woul ddo the sus any day. But i'm married now... If you do large enough amounts of 4-ad it will give you the same effect. I have done just 4-ad as well. I love it... No pins and works almost as good. I woul dhave to say that 600mg/day 4-ad is pretty close to the gains from 500mg sus/week. If you run them the same length.... But the sus will take a couple of weeks to kick in... (And yes people will disaggree..So let them.. hehehe)) So taking that into consideration I would say 4-ad is 1/3 as effective /dose as test(absorbed)... 600mg 4-ad/day = 1680mg absorbed / week compared to 500mg test /week...

Thats why I am FRONTLAODING my next 1-test cycle... I will keep you all posted...

Very interesting thought................You don't think you are stepping out on a limb with those figures?? Don't get me wrong...............I'm not trying to second guess you, I'm just trying to understand the thought behind this.

**rjones** · 04-21-2003 08:05 PM

I think he was saying this is how it worked in his experience, not a scientific finding.

**CEDeoudes59** · 04-21-2003 10:19 PM

Originally posted by curt2go
I have done 1000mg sus/week and 500mg/week before(Indian Karachi or whatever it is).. To tell you the honest truth I woul ddo the sus any day. But i'm married now... If you do large enough amounts of 4-ad it will give you the same effect. I have done just 4-ad as well. I love it... No pins and works almost as good. I woul dhave to say that 600mg/day 4-ad is pretty close to the gains from 500mg sus/week. If you run them the same length.... But the sus will take a couple of weeks to kick in... (And yes people will disaggree..So let them.. hehehe)) So taking that into consideration I would say 4-ad is 1/3 as effective /dose as test(absorbed)... 600mg 4-ad/day = 1680mg absorbed / week compared to 500mg test /week...

Thats why I am FRONTLAODING my next 1-test cycle... I will keep you all posted...

Curt that much 4-ad --- could it lead to hairloss? or is that still unlikily?

**dg806** · 04-22-2003 08:54 PM

18 squirts.....................ta kes a lot of body space!!!

**rjones** · 04-22-2003 09:18 PM

Wouldn't it only be 6 squirts, using T4, to get 600 mg a day applied.

**CEDeoudes59** · 04-23-2003 02:07 AM

bump for curt (or anyone)
large dozes of 4ad (T4) leading to hairloss?
or nothing to worry about?

**curt2go** · 04-23-2003 09:43 AM

Yes those are just my thoughts. Maybe it was not good sus or something... I do find 4-ad very effective by itself... I just come up with those number based on what happend to me.. This may not fall true for others.. I have heard of some people on 500mg sus gaining 30lbs... Not me.. Hope that helps a bit more.. Talk to ya....

Yes to get those doses its alot of liquid.. It sucks..

**rjones** · 04-23-2003 02:09 PM

Deoudes, I think hairloss is an issue on this type of cycle, that is why I would recomend topical spiro, and nizoral shampoo while on cycle.

**CEDeoudes59** · 04-23-2003 02:46 PM

Originally posted by rjones
Deoudes, I think hairloss is an issue on this type of cycle, that is why I would recomend topical spiro, and nizoral shampoo while on cycle.

thanks roy -- most people seem to think there virtually no chance of loss from the 4-ad... I guess at high doses the risk increases.

**rjones** · 04-23-2003 03:44 PM

I guess at high doses the risk increases.

That is true for about everything I think.

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