Two designer steroids - which one first?
- 05-12-2006, 05:22 PM
Two designer steroids - which one first?
Well, I've decided to do my MTRN/Superdrol cycle. But I have not decided exactly which one will come first.
MTRN retains water to a certain point, where Superdrol has dry effects. This would obviously lead me to going MTRN first, bridge Superdrol in at week 4 and carry on through week 6.
But I'm not sure of the "kick in" time of MTRN, and Superdrol seems to dominate that category in respect to ALL of the designer steroids out there currently. 3 days I've read so many times, with great gains coming at week one. This would lead me to run Superdrol first, as a sort of a kick start to the cycle.
One last question - If I were to run MTRN, should I run it for the entire length of the cycle at 6 weeks? I was planning going:
weeks 1-4 MTRN
weeks 4-6 Superdrol
If you suggest running MTRN first, would it be best to run it along side Superdrol in the final weeks of the cycle?
SO, I'm gunna ask the audience. What do you guys think? Already have my goods for ancillaries (MT, ALA, CoQ10, Hawthorne Berry)...
- 05-12-2006, 05:35 PM
definately don't take them together sd is harsh enough as it is.
imo i would take m trn first for 4 wks could go to 6 wks ur choice but i would prefer to save it for another time and also you put added stress when u add the sd. then take sd for 3wks would not not go any more becuase sd is very toxic and you would have already put some stress from 4wks of the m trn taking any longer may cause liver problems. Btw m trn does no cause water retention.
- 05-12-2006, 06:30 PM
What do you have lined up for PCT?
05-12-2006, 06:35 PM
thanks for the repsonse mega-dose
pit-bull - i plan on running liquid nolva, retain, and probably a test booster like vitrix..... last cycle i used an AI, but ive opted out from using those now as I've heard mixed opinions, not about results, from AI like rebound xt.
whats your opinion on which to run first?
05-12-2006, 06:51 PM
Either one first would be fine. If it was me I would go superdrol first so you can blow up fast and then hit the mtrn to continue gaining quality size and strength.
05-12-2006, 07:11 PM
Ahhhhhh I CANNNT DECIIIIIIIIIIDE
thanks for the reply man... have you used MTRN? how long did it take to kick in if you did?
that may be a deciding factor in this, as a 6 week cycle is relatively short; i dont want to waste time and get going right away!
05-12-2006, 07:15 PM
I don't think you really will go wrong with either or. Do you plan on taking both at the same time? Wait let me say that different i mean say superdrol for 3 weeks M for 3 weeks?Originally Posted by Highlanda01602
05-12-2006, 07:18 PM
Yeah duh you meant that sorry...... I don't really know to be honest with you. I guess I would go SD first if your gonna run both. That's a pretty tough stack on your lipids. If your heart is set on that I would take your side supplements 2 weeks before you start you cycle. You may also want to add fenugreek to your pct and maybe some CEE. Just my 2 cents good luck keep us posted!
05-12-2006, 07:41 PM
I've been under the impression that TRN doesn't retain water(and hasn't in my use) and superdrol does. Personally I wouldn't go 6 weeks with either but that's just me.
I would do your superdrol cycle when bulking and trn cycle when cutting. But again, that's just what I would do.
I honestly would keep them in storage for now and go back to the research stage and start over.
05-12-2006, 09:52 PM
As long as you're asking, I think combining these in a 6 week cycle (regardless of which you do first) is a bad idea. Bloodwork has demonstrated that superdrol is very harsh on the body. MTRN had so few users during its initial release and is so new with the re-release that there's not much info about its safety/side-effects. I personally would err on the side of caution and do one or the other for a single 3 week cycle, not two consecutive 3 week cycles.Originally Posted by Highlanda01602
Just my opinion, your risk tolerance may vary.
05-12-2006, 09:54 PM
I think stacking these is a bad idea, especially if you have never run either of them solo before.
05-12-2006, 10:01 PM
IM HARDCORE! HOO-AH!
no seriously, im hardcore.
alright, seriously, i will reconsider things. i have actually researched the **** out of both of these steroids ever since i finished my first cycle back in jan consisting of Finigenx and Phera-plex
ive done a few polls attempting to separate the two compounds, looking for which would yield the best strength gains. MTRN victored, but as stated before, there really arent that many testers. I believe the guys that told me its powerful though, hence why i want to implement both compounds into my cycle.
if i was going to run one, it would be for 4 weeks... so basically im either deciding for 4 weeks or going 6 weeks...
i was planning on starting in a few days- ive already be pre-loading milk thisle, ALA, NAC, and now hawthorne berry and CoQ10 as of today....
05-12-2006, 10:03 PM
You mentioned that you have used MTRN. How were strength gains, as compared to Superdrol (if you ran that). I havn't found many users that have experience with MTRN- ESPECIALLY that also have experience with Superdrol.Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
05-12-2006, 10:05 PM
thanks for the encouragement pit, im really hyped to get this goingOriginally Posted by Pitbull954
05-12-2006, 10:37 PM
I've retained most of my muscle and retained a good bit of strength considering the low carb cutting cycle i've been on. No bloating, no sides to mention and my blood pressure has remained steady. Im dosing 3 a day with food. This cut cycle has included t-3 and venom so the fact that the results are what they are, I would say TRN has worked pretty well but i'm witholding on praise until I get my bloodwork after the cycle.
I tried Superdrol way back when it first started and it had great strength gains but it came with a couple of sides. Bloat, high BP and elevated liver profiles.
I don't recommend either if you haven't done a baseline bloodwork/BP docs visit to make sure everything is on good working order. If you have an unknown preexisting health issue it would be good to know before possibly setting it off with these compounds.
I also can't compare Superdrol and TRN strength gaines because one was abulk cycle with plenty of carbs an no energy/fat type supps and the other was a cut with reduced carbs etc.
05-12-2006, 11:06 PM
Re: Looking for Steroids
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05-12-2006, 11:23 PM
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05-12-2006, 11:24 PM
05-12-2006, 11:34 PM
Re: Looking for Steroids
Yea man check this site out.. They will set you right up!!Originally Posted by robert mons
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05-13-2006, 12:00 AM
thanks man, that was helpfulOriginally Posted by Jayhawkk
maybe i run superdrol this cycle, and in a couple of months use MTRN in a cutting cycle as you did... i have not done a cutting cycle yet
05-13-2006, 12:04 AM
MTRN is a good choice. it has much less sides than sd and u can run it longer. i would run it 4-5 wks and see how it works, any longer and the gains start leveling off unless u change ur diet.Originally Posted by Highlanda01602
05-13-2006, 11:06 AM
AND IT'S ALL TIED UP IN CHICAGOOOOOOOOOO
4 to 4, MTRN first to Superdrol first - voters, could you explain why you chose which one? Real curious what your opinions and experience are with the compounds.
05-13-2006, 11:28 AM
Ahhh! Now it's 5 to 5!
Please explain your choice!
05-13-2006, 11:34 AM
Some do have bloat on s'drol, and it is known to add gains quickly. TRN is not one for mass but strength and recomp. So drol first to get the gains, then TRN to solidify them (on a variation of what ALR suggests in building the perfect beast). DONT GO TO 6MG ON TRN THOUGH! Thats when the sides kick in.
S'drol gains level off after 3 weeks according to most, so why not run that for just 3 weeks and trn for 3 weeks, with a one week overlap. That way you get 2 weeks solo with each and the overlap TRN would only start kicking in by the end of the week anyway. This would also make PCT quicker/easier.
Can't remember the first post now, but is this your first cycle? If not no need to stack, the more you add now, the more you will need to have additionaly in future stacks to carry on increasing in ph gains.
05-13-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by Markio
thanks man, sounds great
this isnt my first cycle actually.... ive had experience with Finignenx and Phera-plex, where i gained a lot of weight but the strength gains were decent.
this sounds great man, thanks for the input
05-13-2006, 12:22 PM
thats a pretty good idea but also consider that SD is going to be harsher on your body than TRN in a lot of ways. I personally would rather get my lipids way out of whack right before PCT and not continue to beat it up with another 3 weeks of TRN. You could inversely, run it week 1-2 TRN, week 3 TRN/SD week 4-5 SD. The TRN would probably give you some good strength as would the SD...I still think this would be a dry, lean stack.
05-13-2006, 01:09 PM
exacly what i was saying. Let the lipids get worse little by little instead of hiting it hard at the begining and keep on making it worse with MTRN.Originally Posted by MattHines
05-14-2006, 09:34 PM
i have a question im 16 yrs old goin on 17 im 5'8 160 i bench 270 and intrested about takin superdraul i want to get bigger and alot stronger i want some info and how to take post cycle theripy and any comments about do's and dont thanks guys
05-14-2006, 09:47 PM
Originally Posted by T3works4me
DO NOT take superdrol. At your age your natural testosterone production should be going strong and th eintroduction of exogenous hormones like superdrol could have serious negative consequences to your natural development. Concentrate and nutrition and form, forget about anabolics for another 5 years.
05-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Too young to take any hormone influencing drugs. You'll just screw the rest of your life and chemical balances up. Stick to eating and exercise. Read up on lifting techniques and routines and diet planning and nutrition information. Regardless you're not going to get that kind of info from this place.
05-15-2006, 05:46 AM
Don't take it and don't ask or post about wanting to take on here. You need to read the board rules and this is your only warning.
05-15-2006, 04:15 PM
Wait - dude is 16 and is taking T-3??
05-15-2006, 04:36 PM
ok i gess that is a bad idea thanks u might of saved a life another other suggestions of wat to do to get stronger and gain weight
05-15-2006, 04:48 PM
05-15-2006, 05:00 PM
I'd suggest that you hang out in the Nutrition/Health forum and the Exercise Science forum here at AM.Originally Posted by T3works4me
05-16-2006, 04:51 AM
Yeah - Eat.
I gained like 35 lbs. without any hormones.
05-16-2006, 02:59 PM
would u say weighing at 160 i should double me protein like eatin 320g of protein a day? and how much carbs is good carbs?
05-17-2006, 06:27 AM
Yeah - 300 grams of protein sounds good.
Why not shoot for at least that many grams of carbs?
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