AAS/IGF related topic. NEED advice.

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    I have a little situation here with two options I can take. Let me explain the situation, and hopefully some of you guys can help me out...

    Today is day 15 of my IGF-lr3 cycle I've been running. Because I accidentally used the wrong pins (1cc instead of 1/2cc slin pin) it is often kind of hard to gauge doses. I was hoping this first 1mg vial would last the four weeks, but since it hasn't and I have already reconstituted another vial (which is sitting in the frig) I was thinking about using another vial to finish out my 4wks. Not a big deal, I have a decent source and don't pay all that much for my IGF. I cant complain either to be honest ... I'm up 8lbs in two weeks all the while keeping waist line in check. This is one reason I'd like to finish out my last two weeks. I've also got the proper pins now ... so dosing will be more accurate.

    Now, I've had a cycle planned for some time which will start on the 22nd of this month. This cycle will consist of Anavar @ 50mg ED (either by itself or with Prop 150mg EOD), T3, Pgf2a dermal (Lipoderm-Ultra, Pgf2a, & Cap-HP), and Clen 1wk on/off through out for 4wk to 6wks (nothing set in stone yet). It will look something like this:

    Proposed Cycle:
    wks 1-2 Clen - moderate EOD taper - 20mcg to 160mcg (possibly 200mcg) ED.
    wks 1-4: Prop @ 150mg EOD (optional - I might leave the prop out)
    wks 1-5: Anavar @ 50mg ED
    wks 1-6: Cap-HP & Lipo-Ultra with Pgf2a added 2x (morning & evening) ED
    wks 1-6: T3 - very slow E5D taper - 50mcg (first time user) ED
    wks 4-6: Clen - moderate EOD taper - 20mcg to 160mcg (possibly 200mcg) ED.

    Post cycle therapy:
    wk 6: hCG if necessary. (250iu to 500iu ED for the first 7 days).
    wks 6-10: Clomid @ 100mg wk6, 50mg wk ,8,9,10.
    wks 6-10: Nolva @ 40mg wk6, 20mg wk ,8,9,10.
    wks 6-10: IGF-lr3 @ 20mcg to 40mcg ED (round 2)

    T3 dosing:
    Days 1-5: 12.5mcg ED
    Days 5-10: 25mcg ED
    Days 10-15: 37.5mcg ED
    Days 15-45: 50mcg ED
    Days 45-50: 37.5mcg ED
    Days 50-55: 25mcg ED
    Days 55-60: 12.5mcg ED
    (I'm thinking this isn't a slow enough taper)

    Question(s):
    1: I said I have two options regarding my situation, those being whether or not to stop the IGF now and wait out the two weeks before my cycle starts OR pop open that second vial and continue running the IGF up to and through the first week of the AAS cycle; possible even longer depending on how long the vial lasts. I'm pretty sure I know what most of you will say, as well as, what I want to do.

    2: I've never used T3 before ... to be honest it kind of scares me, but I'm continually reassured that it can be used safely and given some decent advice on it by some really good guys (Grunt, thanks bro). I've never discussed proper protocol in terms of the taper incriments and adequate dosing for a first time user. How does my T3 dosing look above? Should I slow the taper even more, say 6 to 10 days or will a 5 day taper incriment work?

    3: I also bought some injectable B12. I was going to use it with the Prop EOD, but if I don't end up throwing the Prop in can I use it to delute the IGF without complications or worry of damaging the peptide? Its my understanding the B12 can aid in fat loss and increase appetite. I thought it would complement this cycle nicely since those are my main concerns. I've also read of people using it to decrease prop pains. Like the T3, I've never used injectable B12 either. I'm just looking for some solid advice. Lastly, at what dose is B12 usually run? I'm think 5-10cc ED Sub-q and IM; I have a 240ml jug.

    Honestly now, what do you guys think about all that has been said? Am I missing anything? Would you suggest adding or dropping anything? As if this where your cycle, feel free to critique and suggest/recommend anything you feel necessary. I would greatly appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    Sprt
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    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM
    I have a little situation here with two options I can take. Let me explain the situation, and hopefully some of you guys can help me out...

    Today is day 15 of my IGF-lr3 cycle I've been running. Because I accidentally used the wrong pins (1cc instead of 1/2cc slin pin) it is often kind of hard to gauge doses. I was hoping this first 1mg vial would last the four weeks, but since it hasn't and I have already reconstituted another vial (which is sitting in the frig) I was thinking about using another vial to finish out my 4wks. Not a big deal, I have a decent source and don't pay all that much for my IGF. I cant complain either to be honest ... I'm up 8lbs in two weeks all the while keeping waist line in check. This is one reason I'd like to finish out my last two weeks. I've also got the proper pins now ... so dosing will be more accurate.

    Now, I've had a cycle planned for some time which will start on the 22nd of this month. This cycle will consist of Anavar @ 50mg ED (either by itself or with Prop 150mg EOD), T3, Pgf2a dermal (Lipoderm-Ultra, Pgf2a, & Cap-HP), and Clen 1wk on/off through out for 4wk to 6wks (nothing set in stone yet). It will look something like this:

    Proposed Cycle:
    wks 1-2 Clen - moderate EOD taper - 20mcg to 160mcg (possibly 200mcg) ED.
    wks 1-4: Prop @ 150mg EOD (optional - I might leave the prop out)
    wks 1-5: Anavar @ 50mg ED
    wks 1-6: Cap-HP & Lipo-Ultra with Pgf2a added 2x (morning & evening) ED
    wks 1-6: T3 - very slow E5D taper - 50mcg (first time user) ED
    wks 4-6: Clen - moderate EOD taper - 20mcg to 160mcg (possibly 200mcg) ED.

    Post cycle therapy:
    wk 6: hCG if necessary. (250iu to 500iu ED for the first 7 days).
    wks 6-10: Clomid @ 100mg wk6, 50mg wk ,8,9,10.
    wks 6-10: Nolva @ 40mg wk6, 20mg wk ,8,9,10.
    wks 6-10: IGF-lr3 @ 20mcg to 40mcg ED (round 2)

    T3 dosing:
    Days 1-5: 12.5mcg ED
    Days 5-10: 25mcg ED
    Days 10-15: 37.5mcg ED
    Days 15-45: 50mcg ED
    Days 45-50: 37.5mcg ED
    Days 50-55: 25mcg ED
    Days 55-60: 12.5mcg ED
    (I'm thinking this isn't a slow enough taper)

    Question(s):
    1: I said I have two options regarding my situation, those being whether or not to stop the IGF now and wait out the two weeks before my cycle starts OR pop open that second vial and continue running the IGF up to and through the first week of the anabolic steroids cycle; possible even longer depending on how long the vial lasts. I'm pretty sure I know what most of you will say, as well as, what I want to do.

    2: I've never used T3 before ... to be honest it kind of scares me, but I'm continually reassured that it can be used safely and given some decent advice on it by some really good guys (Grunt, thanks bro). I've never discussed proper protocol in terms of the taper incriments and adequate dosing for a first time user. How does my T3 dosing look above? Should I slow the taper even more, say 6 to 10 days or will a 5 day taper incriment work?

    3: I also bought some injectable B12. I was going to use it with the Prop EOD, but if I don't end up throwing the Prop in can I use it to delute the IGF without complications or worry of damaging the peptide? Its my understanding the B12 can aid in fat loss and increase appetite. I thought it would complement this cycle nicely since those are my main concerns. I've also read of people using it to decrease prop pains. Like the T3, I've never used injectable B12 either. I'm just looking for some solid advice. Lastly, at what dose is B12 usually run? I'm think 5-10cc ED Sub-q and IM; I have a 240ml jug.

    Honestly now, what do you guys think about all that has been said? Am I missing anything? Would you suggest adding or dropping anything? As if this where your cycle, feel free to critique and suggest/recommend anything you feel necessary. I would greatly appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    Sprt

    1. I would continue to run the igf for the first 2 or 3 weeks of your cycle, and then run it again during PCT (how you have it layed out).

    2. dont know much about T3, so I cant comment, sorry.

    3. Yes you can backload b12 with your igf. You can use that instead of BW. The typical dose is 1000mcg ED or EOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idunk42
    1. I would continue to run the igf for the first 2 or 3 weeks of your cycle, and then run it again during post cycle therapy (how you have it layed out).

    2. dont know much about T3, so I cant comment, sorry.

    3. Yes you can backload b12 with your igf. You can use that instead of BW. The typical dose is 1000mcg ED or EOD.
    Thank you for that ...
    I was a little unsure of how to dose my B12 and whether or not it would effect the peptide in anyway. I appreciate the clarification.

    As for the T3, I've done a little homework on it but it's completely foreign to me. Grunt suggested I use it with some clen and the Pgf2a dermal. I'll continue to look up some stuff on it. I was told on another board that the 5day increment would work fine. We'll see.

    & I was thinking along the lines you pointed in regarding the IGF as well. I'm curious to see how it effects the first couple weeks of this cycle. I've heard a lot of good things about it when run during cycle.

    I'm excited to get started.

    Thanks again Man.
    Sprt

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