Just my personal opinion about the legally available AAS
- 05-04-2006, 03:25 AM
Just my personal opinion about the legally available AAS
I just finished my second cycle of legally available AAS. A few months ago, I did an Ergomax LMG / FiniGenX and SD cycle. What I just finished was a PheraPlex / Prostanazol cycle. The first cycle was pretty good. My PP/Pro cycle was kinda weak.
Neither one compared to either my very first cycle of Andriol / Proviron (brought me from 160 to 185) or my second cycle of Deca ONLY (brought me to 205). My third cycle of Sustanon 250 ONLY did nothing at all, so it was probably fake stuff..
Anyway. To me, I feel these oral combinations are more dangerous than they're worth. I feel they're harder on your body and net less results. Unfortunately, they're the only legal thing available - so many people take the risks. It's too bad that the illegal AAS, which are safer, cannot be obtained legally.
- 05-04-2006, 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
What was your dosing on the Andriol? You do mean the Test in Oil suspension gels, not Anadrol, right? I was under the impression you had to mega dose it to see results....and the Proviron just kept the Estro sides at bay, and did little for size...so 20lbs. on Andriol...wow....would like to hear more about tha.
05-04-2006, 04:31 AM
Yes, Andriol. I just so happened to respond really well to it.. I had just turned 18 years old and I started with one pill per day and progressed to two. I know that's a very small dosage.. I probably didn't gain 20lbs of lean body mass but I grew enough to get a lot of "you're on steroids" remarks from people I knew. I had about 2 years of serious training in by the time I started that cycle.
05-04-2006, 08:49 AM
ALthough I agree to most of what your saying I think your lack of results can be partially attributed to you starting anabolics when you were 18. Not to mention you went from test to deca, then Ergomax. You see what Im saying here. I wouldn't expect someone in your position to see a whole lot of results.Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance
05-04-2006, 08:55 AM
05-04-2006, 08:55 PM
i agree 100%, ive been taking steroids on and off now for about six years, cycling correctly of course, never had any harsh side effects until i tried started taking superdrol. My third week into it i was brought to the er because of serious preasure in my head neck and chest, my blood preasure was 178/112, and my heart rate was 150. Im not trying to scare anyone away from sd, or other phs, i also tried alris max lmg, it worked great, and no one really knows long term effects of all these methylated drugs, its all pretty new. I say stick with the real deal
05-04-2006, 10:12 PM
Yeah...SD is some pretty harsh stuff. I'll be getting rid of my 3 bottles.Originally Posted by juiced!
05-05-2006, 02:35 AM
Yep, SD and I did not get along at ALL.
What the market has been sorely lacking since the last ban are any decent transdermals.
05-05-2006, 06:41 AM
I couldn't agree more. More non-methyls and base transdermals would really help elevate some of the harsher sides.Originally Posted by bioman
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
05-05-2006, 07:07 AM
I think you have to qualify any and all supplements. It takes a lot of trial and error to see what works best. You have to establish clear goals as to what you need to accomplish versus the risks. There will always be some experimenting that results in negative side effects with little positive return.
The controlled anabolics have proven effacy with well documented studies of both anabolism and side effects.
Most of the stuff that is avalible to us was created specifically to be non prescription. These supps are beta tested by the end user market The supps were designed and marketed for people without a source for controlled anabolic steroids. The fact that they promote any anabolic effect is really secondary.
This is just a natural progression of any market were there is a restriction applied to a previously open market. Most of the steroids developed over the past 20 years were designed as to "not be detected" by drug testing first, then to promote anabolism secondary and finally to have a " low health risk."
Safe drugs like deca are easily detectable so they are scrapped for short acting more heptatoxic alternatives that are undectable. Oral turnibal is a good example. Thankfully members of this board are willing to take some risks so that we can get stuff like halodrol. Thanks guys!
05-05-2006, 07:59 AM
I just can't believe someone reacted so well to such a low dose of test....I know guys that take 10 andriols a day when they run out of Injectable,a nd they say its crap...
Not doubting you, just saying you're really lucky.
05-05-2006, 08:05 AM
It is odd, some people respond real well to andriol. I guess the delivery method just works well for some people, but not most.Originally Posted by Siznoyton
05-05-2006, 08:53 AM
andriol is funny that way - everyone who's taken it either loves it or hates it.
i'm looking forward to brewing mine up next cycle, actually. mmm castor oil.
after they pack on the first 30 or 40 pounds with juice, people are surprised to find that it's harder to grow when you're 220 versus 180. imagine that.
05-05-2006, 09:55 PM
i agree with all of this. The risk/reward benefit is not worth it for these products. PP/HD/ZOL are all weak to me. SD is a great product but it kicks your ass in more ways than one. I am so glad these products are yanked because 90% of the users out there don't even know the term PCT let alone milk thistle or RYR. They double dose this crap and drink on it. Then when they gain there 5 pounds of water, they walk around the gym with there chest puffed out like King F**kin Kong.
RIP Crappy orals!
05-06-2006, 01:12 AM
05-06-2006, 02:09 AM
I like SD so far.Originally Posted by Campeon
I had immediate increase in sense of well being and energy.
05-06-2006, 03:09 AM
i blew up more from superdrol then i did with sust a few years ago..
going on a deca/sust/dbol cycle soon. cant effin wait!
05-06-2006, 03:43 AM
errrrr.. sounds like me when i did my first cycle ever. but i've changed god damn it! i've changed!Originally Posted by ripped22
05-06-2006, 11:02 AM
Is it okay to sell these products at this point in time? I may have to unload a few bottles of SD because I bought more than I will end up using. [Note: I am NOT trying to sell anything here.]Originally Posted by Rage (SoCal)
05-06-2006, 11:25 AM
05-06-2006, 11:40 AM
PP made me shed like a mofo..
M1t was pure torture and water...back pumps were ridiculously painfull.
SD made my piss dark orange and really didnt respond to it that well.
On my first Test E/dbol cycle now. Only a week in a half in but no sides really...except a little bloat. No where near the bloat from M1t. I still have some 3 bottles I stocked up on before the ban. Not sure why I am keeping them I wont touch that crap ever again.
05-06-2006, 11:42 AM
05-06-2006, 11:44 AM
Sustanon is another hit or miss 'roid. Sounds great on paper, but unless you dose it like a faster acting ester you really don't get the most out of it, so might as well go for cypionate.Originally Posted by NickyNoNames
05-06-2006, 11:49 AM
05-06-2006, 11:53 AM
Its still early! But yeah me thinks soo.Originally Posted by idunk42
I feel better/safer knowing that this stuff has been around for longer. I think the gains will be better as well.
I want to be big dammit ..but not too f*#king tired and sick to enjoy it!
05-06-2006, 11:54 AM
Never heard of it. This stuff comes out faster than I can keep up with it.Originally Posted by juiced!
05-06-2006, 12:08 PM
05-06-2006, 02:47 PM
I did Superdrol last year @ 10mg per day and was up from 178 to 189 pounds in 3 weeks. My 2 month post-cycle lipid levels were in the excellent range as well as liver values. My cycle was logged on this forum and I used a ton of anicilliary supps and did a very thorough PCT.
As for retention... I actually surpassed that weight and got up to 195 pounds on a cycle I did two months after that with Ergomax/Prostanozol (I dropped Prostan as I found it worthless) and a week of 10mg Superdrol at the end.
I dropped from that 195 to low 190s then ending up taking 2 months off the gym several months down the line and fell back to 178 pounds. I'm currently back up to 187 pounds after about 3 months back in all natural on a strict bulk diet... so I think my first Superdrol cycle locked in my set point a bit higher as I feel I made it back up fairly easily.
May do a Pheraplex / SD cycle later this year and see how it goes. It's been 7 months since the end of my Ergomax based cycle so all that is left is to get some pre-cycle blood work drawn up and to get everything together. In retrospect the only thing I would change would be doing the second cycle only two months later, I will always wait longer in the future -- I didn't feel anything negative but I think it's just a good idea to wait longer and that my gains on the second cycle were severely compromised due to the timing.
05-06-2006, 02:54 PM
05-06-2006, 05:58 PM
I don't think so, I trained for 5 years or so natural before doing my first cycle (the two I mentioned are my only two to date). I haven't touched anything for 7 full months and by the time I get around to the aforementioned Pheraplex/Superdrol cycle it'll be 8-9 months out.Originally Posted by bbuild
With the great results of my current all natural bulk diet and exercise program I doubt I will opt to continue after the next cycle, that should raise my "set point" up enough so that I can hold around 200 pounds assuming my current BF % and preferably 185 pounds with significantly lower body fat -- which is my goal.
Either way I'm looking at maybe 1 - 2 more and I'll be out of the anabolics game save for the possibility of HRT when I'm over 50
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