Test for Cutting! But what about the water?

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    Test for Cutting! But what about the water?


    Guys I want to know what you all think the best plan is for keeping water weight gain, bloat, obscuring cuts, to a minimum when using test on a cutter?

    Is it just as simple as using an AI or what? Any thoughts from you guys experienced with this would be helpful. Thanks.

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    a good diet will result in great bloat control .. minimal AI use when necessary .. that's really all it takes
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    So assuming I am on a low sodium cutting diet (ah la Bobo) this should do the trick along with a slight AI use when needed?

    So if Arimidex was the AI of choice what types of dosages are we talking?


    Thanks Glenihan

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    a good diet will result in great bloat control .. minimal AI use when necessary .. that's really all it takes
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    25-50mg proviron would be very nice. It should control bloat and help harden gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    So assuming I am on a low sodium cutting diet (ah la Bobo) this should do the trick along with a slight AI use when needed?

    So if Arimidex was the AI of choice what types of dosages are we talking?


    Thanks Glenihan

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    If you can get you hands on some tren-e then run that with test, but at a higher dose.

    If just test then DIET/CARDIO man.

    Keep your cals LOW and eat perfect man, chicken breast, tuna veggies and lots of water and your ready to cut it up man

    Good luck
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    This is more of a mid range plan then for right now. I was thinking about running Test E 500mgs per week and Primo at 300per week. I know that is not a ton of Primo but I figure the two will be enough to maintain lbm while cutting. I am really looking to run a cycle that is relatively innocuous this summer. What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    This is more of a mid range plan then for right now. I was thinking about running Test E 500mgs per week and Primo at 300per week. I know that is not a ton of Primo but I figure the two will be enough to maintain lbm while cutting. I am really looking to run a cycle that is relatively innocuous this summer. What do you guys think?

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    Innocuous cycle??? Ok ummm you want to cut so either do it natty(easy to do), but if your going to cycle do it right.

    To cut properly u need to use a form of tren, eq or whinny IMHO.

    Say 250mg/week test----100mg/EOD Whinny

    OR

    test@250mg/week------tren-e@ 500mg/week

    OR

    test-e@250mg/week------EQ@600mg/week

    I ran tren my first cycle with test, deca and dbol and did not gain much weight.

    Most was diet, but tren should be used for cutting MOST of the time and only for bulking WHEN diet is SUPER TUNED IN.....like religion.

    EQ needs to be at least 500-600 mg week to see GOOD results.

    Just my .02
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    Need2 what body type do you have naturally? Before gear.

    I only ask because I am a meso/endo with a lean towards the endo. And if I ran any kind of cycle like your first I would have had problems. Of course in additiona to body type individual physiology plas a factor also.


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    i've cut with test E before .. it works ABSOLUTELY fine ... all you want to do while cutting is preserve as much LBM as possible

    you're initial plan was great 50 don't change it ... if you're using adex .5mg when needed .. 2x a week should be fine .. if you are really prone to holding water .5mg eod should be plenty with the diet you're using
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    Thanks bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    i've cut with test E before .. it works ABSOLUTELY fine ... all you want to do while cutting is preserve as much LBM as possible

    you're initial plan was great 50 don't change it ... if you're using adex .5mg when needed .. 2x a week should be fine .. if you are really prone to holding water .5mg eod should be plenty with the diet you're using
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    try to take something like mega zol? usually that helps with water and it will help to harden everything else on top of it.
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    I would just cut naturally...save the hormones for building muscle its easy to keep it without them. Unless you're prepping for a non-natural contest, or have low levels of natural test to begin with.

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    Androgens make everything better.
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    Androgens make everything better.
    Lol. yeah, you do have a point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    Need2 what body type do you have naturally? Before gear.

    I only ask because I am a meso/endo with a lean towards the endo. And if I ran any kind of cycle like your first I would have had problems. Of course in additiona to body type individual physiology plas a factor also.


    Mr.50

    Im a MESOMORPH dude.

    It's SUPER hard for me to gain weight off aas, but my metabolism is HIGH...like REALLY HIGH.

    I eat all day everyday and i stay around 190'ish.

    Even on gear i don't hit 200, but i think my first cycle was underdosed gear or something?

    Instead of eating all day i think im going to try 3 LARGE meals a day and nothing in between to see if i will put on weight.

    Honestly i eat almost 500 grams(dry weight) ED of whole wheat pasta, 6 eggs, half loaf bread, 2-4 litres of milk, 10-20 tbs. of peanut butter, beef, chicken, noodles, kraft dinner, fruits, veggies, lots of water, cream cheese, grill cheese sandwiches and the list goes ON ON ON.

    I train every day and rest 1 day a week, i do cardio 3 times a week, but no weight gain.

    I could eat a large pizza every day with a 6 pack of mgd and still be under 195 on empty stomach.

    Any who im 6'1'' 189 pounds right now and at about 8-9% BF

    My next cycle will be test-e, test-prop/npp mix and MAYBE EQ and i hope to get to 215-220 pounds.

    Gear will be new and cals will be 5000/day, protien, 500/day.

    Test-e @ 800/mg week----1-20
    Test-prop/npp mix @ 150mg EOD -----1-18

    4 weeks of Nolva after cycle.

    Later
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEED2BANABOLIC
    Im a MESOMORPH dude.

    It's SUPER hard for me to gain weight off aas, but my metabolism is HIGH...like REALLY HIGH.

    I eat all day everyday and i stay around 190'ish.

    Even on gear i don't hit 200, but i think my first cycle was underdosed gear or something?

    Instead of eating all day i think im going to try 3 LARGE meals a day and nothing in between to see if i will put on weight.

    Honestly i eat almost 500 grams(dry weight) ED of whole wheat pasta, 6 eggs, half loaf bread, 2-4 litres of milk, 10-20 tbs. of peanut butter, beef, chicken, noodles, kraft dinner, fruits, veggies, lots of water, cream cheese, grill cheese sandwiches and the list goes ON ON ON.

    I train every day and rest 1 day a week, i do cardio 3 times a week, but no weight gain.

    I could eat a large pizza every day with a 6 pack of mgd and still be under 195 on empty stomach.

    Any who im 6'1'' 189 pounds right now and at about 8-9% BF
    Sounds more like you lean more towards ectomorph (hard-gainer).
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    yup, dude's an ecto..

    50, like Glen said, keep to your plan. You can cut on any AAS in reality..

    People can cut on Anadrol quite well as a matter of fact. Just a point.

    It's Diet.. diet...diet...diet...diet...di et...diet....diet...DIET

    and keep the AI use to a minimal dose. Good luck. You'll know what works for you in a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    yup, dude's an ecto...
    The ECTOMORPH
    Definitive "Hard Gainer"
    Delicate Built Body
    Flat Chest
    Fragile
    Lean
    Lightly Muscled
    Small Shouldered
    Takes Longer to Gain Muscle
    Thin


    The MESOMORPH
    Athletic
    Hard Body
    Hourglass Shaped (Female)
    Rectangular Shaped (Male)
    Mature Muscle Mass
    Muscular Body
    Excellent Posture
    Gains Muscle Easily
    Gains Fat More Easily Than Ectomorphs
    Thick Skin


    IMHO Mesomorph describes me exactly except for gaining mass quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEED2BANABOLIC
    The ECTOMORPH
    Definitive "Hard Gainer"
    Delicate Built Body
    Flat Chest
    Fragile
    Lean
    Lightly Muscled
    Small Shouldered
    Takes Longer to Gain Muscle
    Thin


    The MESOMORPH
    Athletic
    Hard Body
    Hourglass Shaped (Female)
    Rectangular Shaped (Male)
    Mature Muscle Mass
    Muscular Body
    Excellent Posture
    Gains Muscle Easily
    Gains Fat More Easily Than Ectomorphs
    Thick Skin


    IMHO Mesomorph describes me exactly except for gaining mass quick.
    mature muscle mass... rectangular shaped... muscular body.. gains muscle easily... gains fat easily... From your stats and diet, you are not a mesomorph. I'm not trying to be rude bro, but if you can't really break 200 on AAS, and you're 6'1" , you are NOT a meso.

    Also I read your 'nolva only thread', and saw your first cycle.. and I saw your proposed second cycle... taking all things into consideration, you are light years behind being ready for AAS.

    If you are 6'1" tall, and can't break 200lbs on Test, Deca, Dbol, Tren... you are either not working out, eating rice cakes only, or a serious ectomorph.

    no offense intended.
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    ugh .. those "categories" are ridiculous .. very few people are pure ectos, endos, or mesos
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    ^^^ agreed... at the risk of contradicting myself on this thread, I too find it ridiculous to try to label, or sort people into those categories.

    I'm just finding it hard to believe he would fall into a category that epitomizes gaining muscle easily.

    And I'm also jealous that Need2Banabolic can eat a pizza and drink a 6 pack along with eating all day long, and not get fat.

    Anyways, to reitterate what I mentioned above N2BA, I'm not trying to offend you in any way.
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    Dude go to your book store and buy a book called Eat right for your type. It will teach you . Remeber everyone is different not everything works the same on everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    Guys I want to know what you all think the best plan is for keeping water weight gain, bloat, obscuring cuts, to a minimum when using test on a cutter?
    Use the sauna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    Dude go to your book store and buy a book called Eat right for your type. It will teach you . Remeber everyone is different not everything works the same on everybody.
    Holy Shat! I just posted today about Dr. D'Adamo's website (Eating Right for Your Type author) http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutri...ost514992.html. I thought I was the only one that ever looked into that. I was going to start a thread on everyone's opinion about the concept, but didn't get around to it.

    Anyhoot, back to Test for Cutting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    mature muscle mass... rectangular shaped... muscular body.. gains muscle easily... gains fat easily... From your stats and diet, you are not a mesomorph. I'm not trying to be rude bro, but if you can't really break 200 on AAS, and you're 6'1" , you are NOT a meso.

    Also I read your 'nolva only thread', and saw your first cycle.. and I saw your proposed second cycle... taking all things into consideration, you are light years behind being ready for AAS.

    If you are 6'1" tall, and can't break 200lbs on Test, Deca, Dbol, Tren... you are either not working out, eating rice cakes only, or a serious ectomorph.

    no offense intended.

    Hey man no problem im here to learn as much as i can

    Ya those catagories are **** if you ask me

    Any who for my first cycle i think my gear was underdosed or not up to par or something cause with my diet i should have gained 20 pounds easy.

    Honestly my diet was'nt great either, but i did eat EVERYTHING i could get my hands on and as far as lifting went....

    ...Well i was at the gym 4-5 days a week doing the basics like all my dumbbell routines, deads, military press, squats, pullups, bench, fly and leg extentions.

    Right now i look GREAT, i got a nice red burn, soon to be tan and the nolva im on right now has made me loose fat or water retention whatever, but my muscles are showing like mad all over my upper body and when i lift each day i get pumped like im on cycle

    I did not think nolva would do this much for me and i really like what it's doing. Im thinking about running nolva with my next cycle, but i know some people swear by it and other say stay off it during cycle.

    Any ways this new cycle i will keep simple just test-e and test-prop/npp mix and i will make it 16 weeks long.

    March '07' im going to try out in the amature bodybuilding comp here in my city and i think i have a GREAT chance of winning if i can gain 25-35 pounds of LBM and cut to 8%bf.

    I can't post pics right now, but my body is very symmetrical and with a very proper diet, hard lifting, lots of sleep and a good dose of AAS i know in my heart i will win

    Im blabbing now so i will run
  

  
 

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