1st test E cycle thoughts?
03-28-2006 08:30 PM
1st test E cycle thoughts?
Can you lot give me your thoughts about this first test cycle? thinking of runnin later in year. already been training for 4 yrs and have exp with SD, Tbol + the old PHs.
question: should HCG be added from wk9-13:
week1: 500mg Test E + SDrol 20mg ed
week2: 500mg Test E + SDrol 30mg ed
week3: 500mg Test E + SDrol 30mg ed
week4: 500mg Test E
week5: 500mg Test E
week6: 500mg Test E
week7: 500mg Test E
week8: 500mg Test E
week9: 500mg Test E + emax/cyclo1T"
week10:500mg Test E + emax/cyclo1T"
week11:500mg Test E + emax/cyclo1T"
week14: Nolva/Clomid Therapy*
week15: Nolva/Clomid Therapy*
week16: Nolva/Clomid Therapy*
*Nolva /Clomid Therapy:
Day 1: 60mg Nolva, 150mg Clomid
Day 2-12: 40mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid
Day 13-21: 20mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
"Dosages of Ergomax and Cyclo 1test not sure of as yet but intended to harden up towards end of cycle prior to PCT.
03-28-2006 08:59 PM
i think HCG should start week 3
i'd run this a full 12 weeks .. personally hate orals as they are SO horrible for you but that's your decision
03-28-2006 09:02 PM
ive beeen doing a lot of reading up on HCG and the UK lads here are saying that its overkill nolva/clomid should be ok and if running it then not to run it throughout cycle but just prior to PCT.
03-28-2006 09:40 PM
if youre going to run the orals switch them around, putting emax in the front and sd at the end.
plus id run the test for 12 weeks like glen said.
03-28-2006 10:13 PM
If you do run HCG, I'd run it starting week 3, at 500iu weekly, split into two injections. (Saturday 250iu, Sunday 250iu) until just before PCT starts. This is a common method.. It works pretty well for me.
Some feel that HCG use will desensitize the Leydig, making it non responsive to luteinizing hormone (LH).. therefore making recovery EXTREMELY hard. Your Leydig cells produce your precioius endogenous Test, and LH makes this happen. So it is a thin line to tread.. Low doses are the key. Hence 500iu a week opposed to some people's 1000iu E4D protocol.
I also agree that it should go to week 12.. and PCT start week 15.
Overall it looks thought out pretty well. good luck fizzy.
03-28-2006 11:13 PM
HCG isn't needed for a cycle like that.
03-28-2006 11:23 PM
HCG is never NEEDED uberpooper.. but it's a general consensus (from proponents of HCG) that for cycles over 10 weeks, it can be beneficial.
03-28-2006 11:40 PM
I'd go 12 weeks on the test E, HCG as noted, and bump your PCT an extra week with 20MG Nolva and your good to go.
03-29-2006 07:37 AM
Originally Posted by Tahq
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