Low dose long term orals?

rocckky

rocckky

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I have a ****load of M1T, PHeraplex, Superdrol etc...... But the sides (mainly INTENSE sleepiness) get worse each cycle.
I'm wondering about the advisability/effectiveness of either
1.taking full doses only in the evening...
OR
Take only say 5mg of M1T before training only (I train 4xweek).......but do that for a prolonged period of time...say thru the spring and early summer.
Any thoughts or concerns with that.
Thanks
 
Yes, the sides are very harsh in alot of users, however just as many people say the gains were absolutely amazing.

And even running it four days a week, throughout the summer wouldnt be beneficial to the liver, but thats my opinion.

I'm not sure how you respond, but 5mg a day would be about half to a third of what I would dose around.
 
Insomnia is a common side for some androgens. Some find that it can also be lethargic post dosing. So the ide of dosing before bed does have some merit.

The idea of extended low dose cycle is really a bad idea for a couple reason. One reason is that extended intake of methylated steroids can cause hepatic troubles. Two, your dose option is still be sufficient to shut you down, but may too low to be of any real anabolic benefit (depending on androgen of choice). Three, being shut down for that long of a period is a very bad idea.
 
thetimbomb said:
Yes, the sides are very harsh in alot of users, however just as many people say the gains were absolutely amazing.
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PVSkyHigh said 'I have heard the sides are ridiculously harsh...' you calling him a liar? :twisted::lol:
 
B5150 said:
Insomnia is a common side for some androgens. Some find that it can also be lethargic post dosing. So the ide of dosing before bed does have some merit.
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A while ago when we were discussing this I think a bunch of people upped their carbs/fat intake post dose and this helped with lethargy quite a bit. It might help him for mid day dosing.

The idea of extended low dose cycle is really a bad idea for a couple reason. One reason is that extended intake of methylated steroids can cause hepatic troubles. Two, your dose option is still be sufficient to shut you down, but may too low to be of any real anabolic benefit (depending on androgen of choice). Three, being shut down for that long of a period is a very bad idea.
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I've kind of wondered about this myself a few times. Isn't hepatic stress dose related? And even forget orals, a low dose injectable cycle that let you maintain active test levels at 150%x ng/dl when x is your normal levels would be significant enough it seems for a long term, subtle gain that wouldn't cause family and friends to check your mail for Mexican Pharmacy deliveries. With proper dosing it seems it could be possible to maintain signigicant enough levels of active hormone even from a low dose oral. But, even if the liver were okay, the lipids would probably still go to hell pretty quick.

Still, I do wonder why, if someone choses this as a lifestyle choice, we don't see more people going the full test replacement therapy route.
 
Going with trt is expensive, if done the legal route and risky the other route.I have considered the low dose thing also, say 12 mgs HD-50 for 6 wks or eod. I tried cyclonordiol eod for 8 wks, got good gains but shut down super hard for months after.
 
B5150 said:
Insomnia is a common side for some androgens. Some find that it can also be lethargic post dosing. So the ide of dosing before bed does have some merit.

The idea of extended low dose cycle is really a bad idea for a couple reason. One reason is that extended intake of methylated steroids can cause hepatic troubles. Two, your dose option is still be sufficient to shut you down, but may too low to be of any real anabolic benefit (depending on androgen of choice). Three, being shut down for that long of a period is a very bad idea.
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I agree completely here. Might as well do normal dosages for normal amounts of time honestly.

Really the only oral you can stay on for a considerable amount of time is anavar. Even then, however, after about 6 weeks, without test supplementation, at a decent enough dosage to see results (around 50-60mg daily for me), you will start getting lethargic and get shutdown.
 
B5150 said:
Insomnia is a common side for some androgens. Some find that it can also be lethargic post dosing. So the ide of dosing before bed does have some merit.

The idea of extended low dose cycle is really a bad idea for a couple reason. One reason is that extended intake of methylated steroids can cause hepatic troubles. Two, your dose option is still be sufficient to shut you down, but may too low to be of any real anabolic benefit (depending on androgen of choice). Three, being shut down for that long of a period is a very bad idea.

and four, your idea of dosing pre workout (being 4 days per week) would leave you with inconsistent blood levels of your M1T.
just another $.02 as to why this is a bad idea.
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I took Dbol at 1/3 dose for 10 weeks and was amazed at the fact that the results (hardness&definition).kept accumulating thruout.
Just'd been wondering if 5mg/M1T was low enought to ward off the sides/lethargy and slowly get results.
(I have done 4 week cycles pyramiding to 30 mg daysm BTY)

I know there are better routes to go..but I DO have 8 or so bottles of 5mg tabs and have begun to invision creative and beneficial ways to use them.
The info so far has helped.
 
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