Methoxy TST ....
- 03-17-2006, 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by LCSULLA
- 03-17-2006, 05:19 PM
- 04-06-2006, 04:19 PM
now things have gotten interesting again. i only got into the non-herbal performance enhancing scene in early september, when serveral new quality compounds were introduced. these methoxylated compounds have piqued my interest.
it seems the names lead to confusion, as well as the chemical names.. so much conjecture, so many rumors. we distrust the creators of these products. who do we trust?
PA has ulterior motives, even if he is out of the "real" anabolic compounds. i suspect he is bitter about not being at the top of the mountain. not bashing his product, i've got a bottle of 6-oxo to keep company with my novedex xt and xtreme.
what is this 17b-methoxy-trienosterone? what is it's relationship to 17b-methoxy-trienbolone? i wish i had kept a copy of the directions and description of the original ALRI "methoxy-tst." man... anyone else fortunate enough to foresee the value in this and have it on their hard drive? we all know they were marketed as designed to be stacked.
so methoxy-trn (mega-trn) seems fairly androgenic, not a great bulker but great for cutting and fantastic on recovery and good for strength & endurance? by people's accounts it shuts endogenous test production down; hard hitting on the HPT axis makes this a serious compound. is it really 1.5 (or 2.0) milligrams? has anyone gotten a reputable lab analysis?
if trn, or methoxy-trienbolone, is the androgenic.. would that make trienosterone the more anabolic of the two? since i'm fairly lightweight at just over 155 could i just stack 3mg of each? i would go by feel. if they are synergistic i'd love to just enhance myself with a mere 1.5mg trn and 2mg tst.. could that work? so many questions.
i feel like i can't trust the compound's creators, though the companies that have put them out have had what seems like accurate general descriptions, even if not perfect cycle plans. i don't trust even the more knowledgeable veterans who are getting or have degrees in the sciences that pertain to this stuff. maybe these capsules don't contain just the advertised compounds, so it doesn't matter if their opinions are right? the cutting-edge new stuff isn't exactly going to be within most people's comprehension anyway, even if the chemical names are accurate, if the label accurately depicts the products active compound(s) in the first place.
all i know is i'd like very basic questions of anabolic:androgenic ratios answered. expected sides with higher-end dosages. lipid and liver enzyme analysis pre and post cycle. how people feel, physically, emotionally, mentally. i'd really like to know those kinds of basic things, and it seem for most of them real world people are needed.
would the DHB (bergamottin) stuff be helpful in boosting serum levels of these compounds? or are methoxylated compounds more protected from the enteric and hepatic interference (i.e. inactivation).
04-06-2006, 04:52 PM
These are the questions that make me want to stay away from the new compounds completely. I had a great run on Phera-Plex, HD-50 helped me out greatly when cutting, but as far as anything else goes I think I'm going to stay away. Too many unanswered questions, too many unknown compounds. Only the tride and true (test/tren) for me from now on.
04-06-2006, 05:20 PM
True, but in all fairness naming them apparently after tren and halo, well they should have known better, you know? Those ain't the easiest substances to deal with for most people.Originally Posted by Beowulf
04-06-2006, 05:40 PM
I agree entirely--early analysis, that everyone here is bashing, was based on the name of the supplements--HALODROL...METHOXY-TRN...they sound like very harsh chems, if you're familiar with anabolics.Originally Posted by CDB
My 2 pennies re: M-TST is that it's nothing like TST, and its just a good stacker for the TRN. There's is nothing that's going to give you the effects of Testosterone @ 2mg. doses, ESP. if its not methylated (and we know Methyl-Test basically sucks). So to say that 2mg. of this is an effective "Test-like" oral dosage is incorrect. But to say its a great stacking partner to the TRN product may very well be true.
Again, the problem is in the naming...calling it TST (since everyone usually runs TREN and TEST stacks) makes it seem like a testsoterone replacement...and now we have threads asking about using TST like Testosterone.
And...we don't really even know what the hell is in these. No one ever tested them, and now BK is probably not going to see the light of day until my unborn children grow up and make me a grandpa.
Of course, I have bottles of M-TRN (both brands) and M-TST
Too bad I never got in on the M4OHT! That's where its at.
04-06-2006, 05:58 PM
I agree that logic suggest that these are harsh based on name, so I could understand the suggestion being brought up; outright condemnation based on unsubstantiated "facts" is a different story. Slight structural differences can produce dramatically different effects. For example, I think M1,4AD and D-Bol are structurally quite similar, yet there effects and toxicity are utterly different (note: I've never tried either)Originally Posted by CDB
04-06-2006, 06:00 PM
i am also interested in TST and TRN, although, you can go ahead and call me a *****, because i like to wait and not be one of the initial testers... Anyhow, i am really intrigued and want to see others' experiences before i jump on board as well.
04-06-2006, 06:25 PM
I plan to start a log when I begin my tst/trn cycle. (in a few months) I need to shed my winter layer a bit. Also checking in on other logs for results and info. Good luck everyone trying these compounds out together- and if you're keeping a log thanks!
04-09-2006, 10:04 AM
Okay, so as of right nowthere is almost no info on this product regarding stacking it with anything other than M-Trn
I was wondering... if stacking this with lets say superdrol, or m1t, phera, ergo, prost.... any of these good ideas?
04-09-2006, 01:12 PM
04-09-2006, 01:49 PM
thats awesome put up the link... anyway though - i wasnt really asking about tst/trn, i know they are synergistic. i was asking if anything else would have a good effect. like SD, halodrol, PP, Pros, Emax
04-09-2006, 02:36 PM
I am not a fan of SD but if you are I would say TST and SD would be a very good combo. Also TST and Halodrol sounds good to me also. Right now I am on the TST by itself and I would say both of those would be good combos with it.
Originally Posted by thetimbomb
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