Opinions needed on oral cycle....(possible log in the making here)
03-13-2006 01:04 AM
Opinions needed on oral cycle....(possible log in the making here)
Ok. I've been taking a break from orals for a little while now after an unsuccessful (sp?) SD/Prostanozol cycle. The cycle was unsuccessful pretty much because I ran it too close to a pervious SD cycle & didn't really give my body enough time to head back to homeostasis, as I like to call it. I've been considering anohter cycle to run lately. This is pretty much what I have come up with & any opinions would be fantastic.
Halodrol-50 or Phera-Phlex
Now, I know that stacking methyl's is extremely bad. What I was considering to do (not sure if this is a great idea so that's where your help comes in) is run a methyl (Halodrol-50 or PP), then run Prostanozol (not methylated), then end off with SD (methylated). I was looking at 3 weeks of Halodrol-50 or PP, 3-4 weeks of Prostanozol (probably 4 overlapping the first & last weeks with their respective methyls), then 3 weeks of SD at 20/20/20.
Obviously all liver support and ancillary supps will be run accordingly, & pct will also be planned accrodingly once the cycle begins to take more form. I already have nolva & clomid on hand, along with an idea of what kind of PCT I would like to run. Anyways, opinions appreciated boys, fire away.
03-13-2006 05:06 AM
03-13-2006 11:02 AM
End of January, wasn't on all of Feb. all the way untill now. Had to cut it short. I was on for about a week or two. Before that I ran a 4 week cycle back in November. Looking to start first week of April or so. When I get back to school.
Originally Posted by LCSULLA
From what I can judge, my body seems to be recovered. Libido has been back up & running, loads are much thicker & fuller, overall I'm feeling great (I know the "feel great" is crap & should be backed by blood work) so lipid profiles should be ok, etc. Liver should be fine as well as I haven't been drinking so I could recover fully quickly from my last cycle & there are no signs of jaundice. I'm looking to push one more before I come home for summer, then just maintain.
03-13-2006 09:05 PM
Help? Anybody? Come on guys, I know more than just jonny can help me out here.
03-14-2006 12:13 AM
Oook...well anyways, here are a few setups I was considering:
Week 1: 10mg e/d
Week 2: 20mg e/d
Week 3: 20mg e/d+Prostanozol 100mg e/d
Week 4: Prostanozol 125mg e/d
Week 5: Prostanozol 125mg e/d
Week 6: Prostanozol 125mg e/d+ SD 20mg e/d
Week 7: SD 20mg e/d
Week 8: SD 20mg e/d
I was also considering switching out the PP for Halo-50 & running 50mg e/d for 3 weeks also overlapping with Prostanozol.
Now for questions:
1. Should I run Prostanozol in the middle to give my liver a break from methylated compounds, or should I just run PP or Halo-50, SD, then Prostanozol at then end?
2. Does anyone see another setup of these compounds where I could possibly maximize results more than my current setup?
3. Halo-50 or PP? The goals of this cycle are to add a few more lbs, build up my chest and legs (specially calves), cut down on BF% (will be doing cardio & eating clean), & lastly gain strength.
Stats for right now:
Weight: 185.4lbs (trying to get as close to 200 as possible)
BF%: Around 11% or so.
Max bench (everyone always puts this so why not?): 285lbs (I know...& I want to get it up to around 315)
ANY suggestions would rock. Thanks guys.
03-14-2006 07:58 AM
well, i think the thing is that your question isn't any different from anybody else's. its almost like saying is it better to do the cross over dribble and take a short jumper or do a between the legs then shoulder fake and then pop a j. i mean who can give you an opinion. and even if somebody gave u an opinion, what would it mean to you?
for example, if i told you to run 10 mg (1 single pill) of pheraplex for 30 days and you will see great strength gains and gain 10 pounds of which 7 pounds you will be able to keep after pct, would u believe me? would u shelf the halo and the sd?
cuz if i could bet my money on it, that's what i would bet. 1 pp / day for 30 days. you would gain 10 and keep 7. and i am guessing this cuz you've never touched it b4.....it's like porn man. a hot girl in a porn you've never seen b4 is always better than watching a hot girl in a porn that you've seen many times.
03-14-2006 10:17 AM
LOL! First off, you're the ****ing man! I love your analogies lol.
Originally Posted by phasar
On a more seirous note, I would listen to other people's opinions & take them into full consideration. I'm not a very stubborn person when it comes to things like this. What you said brings up a good point. Since my body has never had PP in it (sounds funny lol), it would have a great effect on my body, as opposed to SD which I have already run a full cycle, & a half cycle of. What I was looking to do was run a longer cycle though &, in a way, max out my body, then call it a year & not run anymore, & continue working with what I have built. Also, I was wondeirng which compound would benefit me the most as far as my goals. I want to pack on lean mass (much like when on SD). I'm not sure whether to go with Halo-50 or PP.
Basically, I'm looking to stack for maximum results. I've run an SD solo cycle & SD+Prostanozol cycle which I had to cut short due to no response. Now I'm looking to pretty much max myself out and I wanted some opinions as far as setup & compounds, & which would be best for this.
03-14-2006 10:21 AM
Maybe not so much opinions, but suggestions is what I'm looking for. Just some help & guidance to setup the best possible cycle for myself before starting anything.
03-14-2006 10:44 AM
I may suggest
1-3 PP 10/20/20
3-6 SD 20/20/20
2-6 Zol 100-200mg with experience otherwise start at 75mg
Dosing based on your experience or start low and see how it goes. MegaTRN could also be stacked well with either of these as I believe it is non methyl.
I am considering:
1-3 PP or X-MASS
03-14-2006 11:14 AM
I like your first proposed cycle. My only question is, you don't see a problem in running a methylated compound for 6 weeks consecutively? Most I've ever run was SD for 4 with no signs of liver toxicity. I guess I'll have to be extra careful with the liver support supps & watch for signs. Anyways, I would try one of the cycles you're considering, but I dont know much about X-mass or MegaTRN. That & I'm a huge SD fan.
Originally Posted by Smoky
PCT will look like this:
wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT 75mg/d
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT50mg/d
wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT 50mg/d
wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Reduce XT 25mg/d
wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
03-14-2006 04:54 PM
Keep in mind it is only a suggestion. My rat reports 4 weeks of SD and came out great, with the zol till week 6. I would recommend close watch for the first 8 weeker. You will find it is becoming more popular to see stacking. Not saying it is all good, but worth learning more about. I may also suggest you visit the Generic Labs thread and read postings by Grexx, I feel he has some honest evals. A search for Methoxy-TRN by ALRI I believe should get some results. It was the first but reported to be similar to MegaTRN. GL's MegaTRN is fairly new but is appearing to be a dark horse as they call it. X-mass is the same as MAX LMG I believe just higher dosage as are most of the GL products. A search should provide the detail you seek concerning the products. MegaTRN and MegaZOL (prostanozol) are reported to be non methyls as well just for matter of record. I understand both of these other compounds are reported to have less sides and toxicity than SD. As much as I liked SD, I want to see what the rat perfers.
03-14-2006 05:07 PM
Here I may suggest keeping DHEA the same all the way through. 200mg was good for my rat. I would consider lowering the Nolva to maybe 40/20/10. I felt like I got what I needed from it and chose to eliminate that toxic element as soon as possible. With this I applied RXT and Retain in the standard fashion to end of a 4 week PCT. My plans are to do a 5 week with the proposed stacks. Haven't applied Clomid so I am researching it as well for future cycles. How do you feel it has made a difference for you? Or is that just what you have always used?
Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
03-14-2006 09:35 PM
Honestly, I feel that Clomid helped restore my rat's lipid profiles very well. I also feel it was a very nice addition to PCT because, compared to PCTs which did not contain Clomid, I seemed to rebound & reach "normalcy" much quicker. Mind you there is no blood work to prove this, just going based on overall feeling & the such.
03-15-2006 03:51 PM
I decided to go ahead & order the Phera-Plex, some more Prostanozol, & some more Rebound XT. I'm going to go ahead & run this cycle:
Week 1: PP 10mg e/d
Week 2: PP 20mg e/d
Week 3: PP 20mg e/d
Week 4: SD 20mg e/d
Week 5: SD 20mg e/d
Week 6: SD 20mg e/d
Prostanozol will be run weeks 2-6 at 100mg e/d. PCT will look just like above but DHEA will be 200mg e/d all the way through. I'm looking to start this cycle on Monday. Will post before pictures soon. Also supp'ing my ancillary supps (liver, lipid, cholesterol, & heart supps). If you guys want to know what I'm running I'll post it up. If not it's the usual/a little above average dosage to be extra careful. I will be keeping this as a log.
03-15-2006 06:48 PM
Best of luck to you, and I will look forward to your log.
03-16-2006 10:52 AM
Ok..Here's a small update. I'm visiting my g/f in Chicago for spring break. I can't go to the gym here so I've just been doing pushups, etc. I already ordered everything & it should be getting in by the time I head back home, so I'm looking to start the cycle this coming Monday. I'm mainly going to be concentrating on building my chest & legs (mainly calves), but I will also be hitting everything else twice a week, maybe not to the extreme as chest & legs, but still. I signed up at fitday.com to try it out & keep my diet in check. My caloric intake goal is going to be up around 4500 kcal including shakes. I think the breakdown I'm going to be following is 45%/40%/15% carb/protein/fat. Before pics will be put up on Monday. Right now I'm weighing about 183lbs (I believe) & BF% is around 11%? Goals for the cycle are to get up to around 195-200lbs & drop BF% to around 8%. I will be doing 30 mins of cardio every day (or trying to), at least 3 times a week for sure though. I guess that pretty much covers it. Stay tuned boys, one more log in the making.
03-16-2006 05:43 PM
Good luck with it- I'm planning to do a zol/SD cycle pretty soon. Gonna go read your logs now. I'll be checking in on you.
03-16-2006 09:32 PM
Thank you very much. I was looking at some more supps on nutraplanet now. I think I'm also going to be running some CEE while on & I was looking at a complex carb shake to have possibly before & after workout with some oats & the such. I'm considering throwing some activate into my PCT to push my test back up, as I have plenty of anti-estrogens & anti-aromitase (sp?) supps in there, as well as cortisol inhibiting supps. I honestly think I'm going to go on a supp buying frenzy tonight. All cause of that damn M-TRN & M-TST stack lol. I'm so easily influenced, blast.
Originally Posted by Sea223
03-17-2006 12:32 AM
Ok, so I love to torture myself. Thanks to nutraplanet (you guys are awesome) I just bought some:
M-TRN & M-TST
& some other stuff. So here is my current predicament (sp? can't you guys tell I suck at that? lol). I was wondering whether I should stick to my current Phera/SD/Prostanozol cycle or if I should maybe come up with a new cycle with these compounds? Perhaps a Halodrol-50/M-TST/M-TRN cycle? Maybe throw some Prostanozol in there? What do you guys think? Stick with it or dish it & go with something new? If you guys have any ideas, let a brudda know!!!
03-17-2006 12:52 PM
My only suggestion-
Run the ZOL weeks 3-6. If you start at the second week, it will be 5 weeks of the ZOL and 5 weeks of multiple orals at once. It will also be introduced at the very same time you up your PP dosage which could be dangerous.
Start the zol at week 3, it will be 4 weeks of zol, 4 weeks of multiple orals instead of 5, it wont cause u to gain less, and during week 2 when u bump the PP up to 20 u can judge how ur body is reacting to that and not get confused as to whats doing what and so on and so forth~
Good luck, seems like a very solid cycle.
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