Opinions needed on oral cycle....(possible log in the making here)
- 03-13-2006, 01:04 AM
Opinions needed on oral cycle....(possible log in the making here)
Ok. I've been taking a break from orals for a little while now after an unsuccessful (sp?) SD/Prostanozol cycle. The cycle was unsuccessful pretty much because I ran it too close to a pervious SD cycle & didn't really give my body enough time to head back to homeostasis, as I like to call it. I've been considering anohter cycle to run lately. This is pretty much what I have come up with & any opinions would be fantastic.
Halodrol-50 or Phera-Phlex
Now, I know that stacking methyl's is extremely bad. What I was considering to do (not sure if this is a great idea so that's where your help comes in) is run a methyl (Halodrol-50 or PP), then run Prostanozol (not methylated), then end off with SD (methylated). I was looking at 3 weeks of Halodrol-50 or PP, 3-4 weeks of Prostanozol (probably 4 overlapping the first & last weeks with their respective methyls), then 3 weeks of SD at 20/20/20.
Obviously all liver support and ancillary supps will be run accordingly, & pct will also be planned accrodingly once the cycle begins to take more form. I already have nolva & clomid on hand, along with an idea of what kind of PCT I would like to run. Anyways, opinions appreciated boys, fire away.
- 03-13-2006, 05:06 AM
- 03-13-2006, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by LCSULLA
From what I can judge, my body seems to be recovered. Libido has been back up & running, loads are much thicker & fuller, overall I'm feeling great (I know the "feel great" is crap & should be backed by blood work) so lipid profiles should be ok, etc. Liver should be fine as well as I haven't been drinking so I could recover fully quickly from my last cycle & there are no signs of jaundice. I'm looking to push one more before I come home for summer, then just maintain.
03-13-2006, 09:05 PM
03-14-2006, 12:13 AM
Oook...well anyways, here are a few setups I was considering:
Week 1: 10mg e/d
Week 2: 20mg e/d
Week 3: 20mg e/d+Prostanozol 100mg e/d
Week 4: Prostanozol 125mg e/d
Week 5: Prostanozol 125mg e/d
Week 6: Prostanozol 125mg e/d+ SD 20mg e/d
Week 7: SD 20mg e/d
Week 8: SD 20mg e/d
I was also considering switching out the PP for Halo-50 & running 50mg e/d for 3 weeks also overlapping with Prostanozol.
Now for questions:
1. Should I run Prostanozol in the middle to give my liver a break from methylated compounds, or should I just run PP or Halo-50, SD, then Prostanozol at then end?
2. Does anyone see another setup of these compounds where I could possibly maximize results more than my current setup?
3. Halo-50 or PP? The goals of this cycle are to add a few more lbs, build up my chest and legs (specially calves), cut down on BF% (will be doing cardio & eating clean), & lastly gain strength.
Stats for right now:
Weight: 185.4lbs (trying to get as close to 200 as possible)
BF%: Around 11% or so.
Max bench (everyone always puts this so why not?): 285lbs (I know...& I want to get it up to around 315)
ANY suggestions would rock. Thanks guys.
03-14-2006, 07:58 AM
well, i think the thing is that your question isn't any different from anybody else's. its almost like saying is it better to do the cross over dribble and take a short jumper or do a between the legs then shoulder fake and then pop a j. i mean who can give you an opinion. and even if somebody gave u an opinion, what would it mean to you?
for example, if i told you to run 10 mg (1 single pill) of pheraplex for 30 days and you will see great strength gains and gain 10 pounds of which 7 pounds you will be able to keep after pct, would u believe me? would u shelf the halo and the sd?
cuz if i could bet my money on it, that's what i would bet. 1 pp / day for 30 days. you would gain 10 and keep 7. and i am guessing this cuz you've never touched it b4.....it's like porn man. a hot girl in a porn you've never seen b4 is always better than watching a hot girl in a porn that you've seen many times.
03-14-2006, 10:17 AM
LOL! First off, you're the ****ing man! I love your analogies lol.Originally Posted by phasar
On a more seirous note, I would listen to other people's opinions & take them into full consideration. I'm not a very stubborn person when it comes to things like this. What you said brings up a good point. Since my body has never had PP in it (sounds funny lol), it would have a great effect on my body, as opposed to SD which I have already run a full cycle, & a half cycle of. What I was looking to do was run a longer cycle though &, in a way, max out my body, then call it a year & not run anymore, & continue working with what I have built. Also, I was wondeirng which compound would benefit me the most as far as my goals. I want to pack on lean mass (much like when on SD). I'm not sure whether to go with Halo-50 or PP.
Basically, I'm looking to stack for maximum results. I've run an SD solo cycle & SD+Prostanozol cycle which I had to cut short due to no response. Now I'm looking to pretty much max myself out and I wanted some opinions as far as setup & compounds, & which would be best for this.
03-14-2006, 10:21 AM
Maybe not so much opinions, but suggestions is what I'm looking for. Just some help & guidance to setup the best possible cycle for myself before starting anything.
03-14-2006, 10:44 AM
I may suggest
1-3 PP 10/20/20
3-6 SD 20/20/20
2-6 Zol 100-200mg with experience otherwise start at 75mg
Dosing based on your experience or start low and see how it goes. MegaTRN could also be stacked well with either of these as I believe it is non methyl.
I am considering:
1-3 PP or X-MASS
03-14-2006, 11:14 AM
I like your first proposed cycle. My only question is, you don't see a problem in running a methylated compound for 6 weeks consecutively? Most I've ever run was SD for 4 with no signs of liver toxicity. I guess I'll have to be extra careful with the liver support supps & watch for signs. Anyways, I would try one of the cycles you're considering, but I dont know much about X-mass or MegaTRN. That & I'm a huge SD fan.Originally Posted by Smoky
PCT will look like this:
wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT 75mg/d
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT50mg/d
wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Reduce XT 50mg/d
wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Reduce XT 25mg/d
wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
03-14-2006, 04:54 PM
Keep in mind it is only a suggestion. My rat reports 4 weeks of SD and came out great, with the zol till week 6. I would recommend close watch for the first 8 weeker. You will find it is becoming more popular to see stacking. Not saying it is all good, but worth learning more about. I may also suggest you visit the Generic Labs thread and read postings by Grexx, I feel he has some honest evals. A search for Methoxy-TRN by ALRI I believe should get some results. It was the first but reported to be similar to MegaTRN. GL's MegaTRN is fairly new but is appearing to be a dark horse as they call it. X-mass is the same as MAX LMG I believe just higher dosage as are most of the GL products. A search should provide the detail you seek concerning the products. MegaTRN and MegaZOL (prostanozol) are reported to be non methyls as well just for matter of record. I understand both of these other compounds are reported to have less sides and toxicity than SD. As much as I liked SD, I want to see what the rat perfers.
03-14-2006, 05:07 PM
Here I may suggest keeping DHEA the same all the way through. 200mg was good for my rat. I would consider lowering the Nolva to maybe 40/20/10. I felt like I got what I needed from it and chose to eliminate that toxic element as soon as possible. With this I applied RXT and Retain in the standard fashion to end of a 4 week PCT. My plans are to do a 5 week with the proposed stacks. Haven't applied Clomid so I am researching it as well for future cycles. How do you feel it has made a difference for you? Or is that just what you have always used?Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
03-14-2006, 09:35 PM
Honestly, I feel that Clomid helped restore my rat's lipid profiles very well. I also feel it was a very nice addition to PCT because, compared to PCTs which did not contain Clomid, I seemed to rebound & reach "normalcy" much quicker. Mind you there is no blood work to prove this, just going based on overall feeling & the such.
03-15-2006, 03:51 PM
I decided to go ahead & order the Phera-Plex, some more Prostanozol, & some more Rebound XT. I'm going to go ahead & run this cycle:
Week 1: PP 10mg e/d
Week 2: PP 20mg e/d
Week 3: PP 20mg e/d
Week 4: SD 20mg e/d
Week 5: SD 20mg e/d
Week 6: SD 20mg e/d
Prostanozol will be run weeks 2-6 at 100mg e/d. PCT will look just like above but DHEA will be 200mg e/d all the way through. I'm looking to start this cycle on Monday. Will post before pictures soon. Also supp'ing my ancillary supps (liver, lipid, cholesterol, & heart supps). If you guys want to know what I'm running I'll post it up. If not it's the usual/a little above average dosage to be extra careful. I will be keeping this as a log.
03-15-2006, 06:48 PM
03-16-2006, 10:52 AM
Ok..Here's a small update. I'm visiting my g/f in Chicago for spring break. I can't go to the gym here so I've just been doing pushups, etc. I already ordered everything & it should be getting in by the time I head back home, so I'm looking to start the cycle this coming Monday. I'm mainly going to be concentrating on building my chest & legs (mainly calves), but I will also be hitting everything else twice a week, maybe not to the extreme as chest & legs, but still. I signed up at fitday.com to try it out & keep my diet in check. My caloric intake goal is going to be up around 4500 kcal including shakes. I think the breakdown I'm going to be following is 45%/40%/15% carb/protein/fat. Before pics will be put up on Monday. Right now I'm weighing about 183lbs (I believe) & BF% is around 11%? Goals for the cycle are to get up to around 195-200lbs & drop BF% to around 8%. I will be doing 30 mins of cardio every day (or trying to), at least 3 times a week for sure though. I guess that pretty much covers it. Stay tuned boys, one more log in the making.
03-16-2006, 05:43 PM
Good luck with it- I'm planning to do a zol/SD cycle pretty soon. Gonna go read your logs now. I'll be checking in on you.
03-16-2006, 09:32 PM
Thank you very much. I was looking at some more supps on nutraplanet now. I think I'm also going to be running some CEE while on & I was looking at a complex carb shake to have possibly before & after workout with some oats & the such. I'm considering throwing some activate into my PCT to push my test back up, as I have plenty of anti-estrogens & anti-aromitase (sp?) supps in there, as well as cortisol inhibiting supps. I honestly think I'm going to go on a supp buying frenzy tonight. All cause of that damn M-TRN & M-TST stack lol. I'm so easily influenced, blast.Originally Posted by Sea223
03-17-2006, 12:32 AM
Ok, so I love to torture myself. Thanks to nutraplanet (you guys are awesome) I just bought some:
M-TRN & M-TST
& some other stuff. So here is my current predicament (sp? can't you guys tell I suck at that? lol). I was wondering whether I should stick to my current Phera/SD/Prostanozol cycle or if I should maybe come up with a new cycle with these compounds? Perhaps a Halodrol-50/M-TST/M-TRN cycle? Maybe throw some Prostanozol in there? What do you guys think? Stick with it or dish it & go with something new? If you guys have any ideas, let a brudda know!!!
03-17-2006, 12:52 PM
My only suggestion-
Run the ZOL weeks 3-6. If you start at the second week, it will be 5 weeks of the ZOL and 5 weeks of multiple orals at once. It will also be introduced at the very same time you up your PP dosage which could be dangerous.
Start the zol at week 3, it will be 4 weeks of zol, 4 weeks of multiple orals instead of 5, it wont cause u to gain less, and during week 2 when u bump the PP up to 20 u can judge how ur body is reacting to that and not get confused as to whats doing what and so on and so forth~
Good luck, seems like a very solid cycle.
03-17-2006, 01:15 PM
Damn bro, that's some solid advice! Good looking out. It's true, I haven't ran PP before, only SD & Zol, so it would be beneficial to me to wait until week 3 to start the Zol so I can more effectively judge the effects of PP. I'm kind of leaning more towards staying on my current cycle & not switching to the Halo/TST/TRN cycle, that way I could start on Monday & not have to wait for these compounds to come in. If anything, I'll consider adding TST/TRN or one or the other at the end of or somewhere in my PP/SD/Zol cycle, since they aren't methylated from what I've read (I've read they contain a methoxy group but not a 17aa methyl so liver & lipid effects are minimal). It'd be a pretty nice oral stack to throw some M-TRN in with the SD along with Zol.Originally Posted by kasket
This oral cycle is starting to get freakishly wild. Ooooohh boy!
So does anybody have any thoughts on this? Damn jonny21, poopy, where are my gurus?
03-17-2006, 04:50 PM
Definitely not a guru, just an alternate perspective. Sometimes we "can't see the forest for the trees".
You have already experienced SD so I would save that for a later date/cycle.
Whichever chemicals you choose, start out with the low-end dose and gauge your body's response.
From the chemicals you have stocked, I only have experience with SD and prostanazol. I have no practical/working knowledge of PP or H-50. So I will defer to those that have experience with them.
I would tweek my PCT to look something like this though.
Last 2 days of cycle: Clomid @ 300mg for saturation purposes
wk1: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d
wk3: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d,
wk4: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk5: Nolva 10mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
I think running the DHEA with a metabolite of DHEA is redundant and could possibly lead to other issues, but that is JMO.
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC
03-20-2006, 02:04 AM
jonny, don't sell yourself short. you are simply awesome.
Here is the cycle I decided on after consulting clos from AX:
30 PP / 10 SD /Prost 75
20 SD / Prost 100
20 SD / Prost 125
I think you are right about my PCT. Running the DHEA & Reduce XT is redundant. I will be throwing in some Activate too to help kickstart my test levels again.
Here's an update. I'm back home. I got really sick this Saturday (from either food poisoning or a stomach virus). Either way, I had a 103 fever & was throwing up & had diarrhea all freakin day. I swear I must've lost a good 8 lbs. I'm scared to get on the scale again. Anyways, I've delayed starting the cycle until Tuesday or Wednesday. I want to be sure I can manage to get food back into my stomach without ****ting it out or throwing it up. So far so good, but I want to be sure. I'll post up later.
03-20-2006, 02:16 AM
Ohh yea, I'm also thinking of running Cap Hp along with some lipo ultra around the love-handle & ab area to cut on fat while on cycle. Thoughts?
03-20-2006, 12:30 PM
Good news. My stomach managed to hold food down. Now I'm just waiting for my PP to come in so I can begin cycle. So cycle & log will look like this:
30 PP / 10 SD /Prost 75
20 SD / Prost 100
20 SD / Prost 125
(I may adjust dosages according to how I feel. I will keep you guys updated.)
Alongside I will be running Cap HP & some Lipoderm Ultra as a transdermal means of fat burning along my oblique & ab area. I will also be supping some Sesathin around 3 times/day at half the recommended dosage. I have been reading up about this & I'm kind of turned on to it thanks to its big help in lipid profiles & its strong antioxidant nature, also its fat oxidizing nature. I kind of think this would be a pretty good stack for a REALLY lean bulk.
Last 2 days of cycle: Clomid @ 300mg for saturation purposes
wk1: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 2 caps/day
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 2 caps/day
wk3: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 3 caps/day
wk4: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 3 caps/day
wk5: Nolva 10mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 4 caps/day
wk6: RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, Activate (not sure what dosage), Fenugreek 4 caps/day
I guess that pretty much covers cycle & PCT. As for diet, I will be keeping track of it on fitday.com. I'm aiming for 45% carbs/40% protein/15% fat.
That's all folks. Stay tuned.
03-20-2006, 05:34 PM
UPS guy just dropped off my Phera, Zol, & Rebound. So cycle is starting today!!
Already took my first 10mgs of PP for the day. Will take my second dose at 9 pm before I hit the gym at 930. Diet & everything was kind of sketchy today as I haven't really had a chance to do much except unpack & pick up after myself & clean a little now that I'm back from spring break. I will take before pictures tonight when I get back from the gym.
This is it!
EDIT: If Mega-TRN gets in on time (hopefully by next week), I will try to incorporate it into my cycle some how as it is not methylated. I figure running it from whatever week it arrives until the end should be fine. I will also be ordering a second batch to run with M-TST on a later date.
03-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Even though it is not methylated it will still stress your liver. I really think that you are pushing the limit with 3 orals, I would strongly against running 4. Good luck with your cycle, be very careful.Originally Posted by xxtruxx1
03-21-2006, 12:17 AM
This is very true. I was planning on seeing how I'm feeling (liver wise) to see if I include the Mega-TRN or not. At the first signs of jaundice, I'm out. I've also been thinking, I wouldn't want to compromise the cycle. I was thinking about maybe not running it because I have never taken it before & I would like to see how I react to it by itself.Originally Posted by canadian champ
Took my second dose & all. Had to miss the gym today to get groceries & finish getting my life back together after spring break. I will most definitely be in the gym tomorrow & every day from tomorrow on hopefully.
I caught up with my diet today, thankfully. Stomach feels kind of weird when I eat, but after that, I'm homefree.
Everything is ship shape so far. I will post up tomorrow after my workout.
03-21-2006, 01:41 AM
Final Update on supps, I promise.
I purchased two bottles of Lipoderm Ultra, one to be mixed with 15 mL (at 100mcg/mL) of Clen at a dosage of 8 pumps, twice a day, with nightime applications with Cap HP. I will run this for 1 week, then I will run simple Lipoderm Ultra with Cap Hp for 1 week. I will be applying around my abdomen & love handle area.
03-21-2006, 01:42 AM
03-21-2006, 12:58 PM
Woke up this morning, stomachs acting up. Still have loose stool, but nowhere near as loose as before (sorry if this grosses some of you out. I have no concept of grossness as I'm a medical student lol). Hopefully that gets better. I don't want to take Immodium again cause all that does is keep me from ****ting which is annoying.
Today I will begin to keep track of my diet on fitday.com. Still haven't hit the gym, so I can't tell you boys if I feel anything different yet, but I will tonight.
I'm excited & can't wait for the rest of my supps to get in .
03-21-2006, 01:08 PM
03-21-2006, 06:37 PM
Currently, once again, on the freakin toilet. Going to dose my second dose of PP once I get off, then I'll shave or something to give it some time to hit, then hit the gym. I'm going to up my ingestion of sugar based liquids (Propel, Gatorade, Sprite, etc.) to see if I can get rid of this stomach virus already & get back to eating like a beast. Hopefully this will be done with by the end of the week.
I'll post up upon returning from gym.
03-21-2006, 06:49 PM
on a side note i can relate to the feel good factor u talked about after SD. takes usually 3 weeks after pct for me to expereicne this unfirtunately lol
03-21-2006, 10:05 PM
Ok, I don't know if the PP is making it more difficult for my stomach or what? Anyways, since I've only been on for 2 days, I'm going to suspend the cycle until next Monday. My stomach definitely isn't ready for the food intake needed to back up a cycle right now.
Someone told me today that I probably have food poisoning seeing as I got sick after eating a meal. They said if I had a stomach virus, I would have to get it from someone else. Whatever the case is, my stomach is out of whack & I'm considering possibly going to the hospital to get this taken care of.
Don't worry guys, the cycle is still going to be run as planned. I'm just going to wait until Monday. Hopefully then my poop will be solid once again & I can work out without throwing up in the bathroom. I'll keep you guys posted on starting, the latest being Monday, earliest being whenever my poop is solid before then lol.
feelingfizzy, that feel good factor is quite amazing & I'm definitely looking forward to it again.
03-22-2006, 10:24 PM
Guess what boys?..I was feeling alright today, so I decided to get a little ballsy & dose day 3 of PP & hit the gym. It felt good to hit the gym. I had pretty pumps & strength was average. I feel like I'm still weak from the virus, but getting better. I think by the end of the week I'll be back to normal, so I've decided to continue full on with the cycle.
As for workout, I just hit shoulders today, more to see if I was ok to work out consistently than anything else. So everything went well in the gym.
Diet was pretty on point more or less. I'm just avoiding milk, milk-based products, & processed foods until Friday to give my stomach a chance to normalize.
I also picked up my Cap-HP today. That & my Lipo Ultra came in. Therefore, I will begin my first dose today after I shower before bed. I'm not sure how many pumps I will use yet, maybe 5? I will let you know tomorrow how many I used.
Tomorrow morning, I'm starting my cardio sessions. 30 mins, possibly stationary biking.
The log lives on!!
03-23-2006, 12:53 AM
Ok, just applied the Cap-HP & 4 pumps of Lipoderm Ultra after my shower. This was my first application. Here's the breakdown for those considering. (This is the first week of non-clen administering).
Showered, toweled off, & put on the Cap-Hp. At first, it didn't burn or anything so I thought, "Man...these guys are full of ****." Threw on 4 pumps of Lipoderm Ultra around my abs & obliques. After a few minutes, it did burn. On a 1-10 scale of pain, 10 being the highest, this is honestly about a 4 or so. I honestly think it isn't that bad. It feels like 2 things I can think of. 1. Having a really bad sunburn & it getting rubbed. or 2. Putting Bengay or Tiger Balm on sensitive skin. It's bearable though, so I would recommend it.
03-23-2006, 01:11 PM
Here's my advice. After you apply, don't touch the applied area & another part of your body. Don't have sex, pick your nose, or scratch your ass unless you want that burning sensation to spread to those areas or your g/f's little axe wound so you can get yelled at the rest of the night. I'd say that it did make it hard to go to sleep, because of the gf's larynx. If I wasn't wearing the cap-hp+lipo, she wouldn't be burning up & yelling. I fell asleep fine though. I woke up in the middle of the night cause I was sweating and it got too hot. I guess it'll get better with more apps. Hitting the gym today. Will post up later.
03-23-2006, 06:05 PM
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