Swelling around inject site

Morgan

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This is my first cycle.I’m doing a 10 wk cycle of Test E. I’m over 4.5 wks into it, IV been experiencing swelling and soreness around the inject site. Is this normal or is there something going wrong. Thanks for any feedback!
 
You might be sensitive to the inj. Have you been rotating your areas? You might have formed an abcess and need to go to your pcp to get it check out to make sure it's not. If it is an abcess then you will have to get on some anti-biotics to get those toxins out of your system.
 
Iv been useing a 23g , 1 1/2 in pin. Been inject 2 a week at 1 ml per inject. thanks for thr reply Thor
 
A little swelling is normal. Why inject twice a week? Just do them both at the same time. And switch sides of your glute each time.
 
Jmazz19 said:
A little swelling is normal. Why inject twice a week? Just do them both at the same time. And switch sides of your glute each time.
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I personally think pinning long/medium esters E3D (every third day) ensures extremely stable blood levels and lessens chances of sides which are born from fluctations in said levels.

That being said, twice a week is far superior to your once a week idea.

Pharmacokinetic wise, it can be done.... but for optimal levels, E3D is far more beneficial.

Morgan is right pinning at least twice a week.. but we never heard back from him regarding him rotating sites.

My previous question to him was to be followed up by recommending giving his glutes a break and try bringing at least his delts into the rotation.. giving more than a week break between each site.
 
Sorry it s been so long computers been down. Iv been pining in each side of my glute. Just started doing left glute left delt right delt right glute.Iv gotten us to the swell and the hurt. Its been better since i started rotating more, Excedrin, and hot towels
 
Ubiquitous said:
I personally think pinning long/medium esters E3D (every third day) ensures extremely stable blood levels and lessens chances of sides which are born from fluctations in said levels.

That being said, twice a week is far superior to your once a week idea.
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Personaly I dont see the advantage injecting an ester such as enanthate every couple days. Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis.
 
There's also been no discussion here of the time frame for the swelling, soreness, etc.

By that I mean do these surface side effects appear almost instantly, do they take a day or more to show up, are they gone or at least subsiding by the time the next shot is due, and so on.

Would any of that help you experienced folks help Morgan, or is it kind of irrelevant?

I am sticking my snoopy ass in here, btw, cause I had problems with my very first injection and coming here and getting help from Ubiquitous, Crowler and others got me back into my first cycle and trouble-free, so far.

I am still always reading and trying to learn, however.
 
At first the swelling come up about 2 days after my shot. But since iv been rotating more it hasn't been that bad. With the rotation I'm doing by the time i get around to pining my left glute again its already been a week and a half.


In response to pining 2cc once a week iv been told from close friends that the sides are worse and i think the half life( right term?????) is only 3 to 4 days .
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Jmazz19 said:
Personaly I dont see the advantage injecting an ester such as enanthate every couple days. Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis.
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even with your arguement, there is a clear advantage of injecting E3D.. this would provide more stable levels. Sides are related to fluctations more than anything. I don't see how you don't see the advantage, when taking account the pharmacokinetics of Test Enanthate. If you inject once a week, there will be a slight fluctuation... I wish I could find the graphs to prove this.
 
Its not so much that I disagree. I just dont see it making that much of a difference at 500mg a week to inject E3D rather than once a week. If the doses were higher then yes. At higher doses I usually go monday and thursday. I guess I just try to pin myself as little as possible.
 
Debatable.. 7-12 range from most accounts. Half life is a very misunderstood concept to many.

Regardless, at the risk of furthering this hijack, it should be paramount to anyone using AAS to keep as stable as possible blood levels of the hormone used... This of coure means frequent injects, with uniform spacing in between.

That's my case.. sorry Morgan, good to hear things are a bit better.. I'm done with this thread. :D
 
Ubiquitous said:
Debatable.. 7-12 range from most accounts. Half life is a very misunderstood concept to many.
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You're right it has 7 carbon atoms. I had forgotten and had to look it up. It's half life should be longer than just 7 days.
 
here a quote of something I wrote a while ago
First misconception: The weight of an ester determines the half-life. No, it is the length of an ester that AFFECTS the half-life. This is easily seen in the lack of difference in the half-lives of testosterone phenyl propionate vs. testosterone propionate. The first ester has a MW of 150 the second has a MW of 74. They have almost identical half-lives but the phenyl propionate has the weight of the phenyl group add to it but the same length of the propionate. It doesn’t make much of a difference.

Second misconception: The ester used determines the half–life, NO. I am not sure why this is so set in people’s minds but esters are only part of the picture. An ester modifies the partition coefficient but it does not determine it. The partition coefficient is a fancy term that describes the ratio of oil solubility to water solubility. Almost anything is water miscible to some part, even if very small. This includes the hormones we use as well as the ester of them. This the more lipophilic (that is oil soluble, I am simplifying here) the less LIKELY the hormone is to enter into water and be hydrolyse (hydrolysis is the term for the removal of the ester from the base, again this is a simplification of the process). That is why hormones have half-lives, their absorbs ion is based on probability and therefore follows the same pattern as decaying uranium, rolling of the dice, and cards. Contrary to popular belief this is true of the base hormones as well as the estered ones. The esters only modify the ratio (decrease the probability of going into water) For a more complete article on this (its old but still a good read) go read Invalid Link Removed. While it doesn’t go into the mechanics too much it is still the best one I have seen.

While the above is a major factor if you want an accurate estimate of the half-life have to include the solubility of the hormone base you’re using, the length of the ester, the solution that the hormone is suspended in, the biology of the person being injected, and the placement of the depot.

1st. The base solubility hormone is just that, how well it will go into solution, water or oil. What its partition coefficient is to start with. Nandrolone is more lipophobic then testosterone, therefore tends to have a shorter half live then testosterone even with the same ester (see number 2 for more info on this).

2nd. The length of an ester determines how much the partition coefficient is modified (outside of any other influences). The length is usually given in the number of carbon atoms, formate 1, acetate 2, propionate and phenyl propionate 3, butyrate 4, valerate 5, hexanoate, caproate, and isocaproate 6, heptanoate and enanthate 7, octanoate and cypionate 8, nonanoate 9, decanoate 10, undecanoate 11. What’s more the degree that the ester modifies the base per carbon increases with the ester length. To put it another way the longer the esters the more it dominates the properties. For instance the half-life of nandrolone cypionate is less then that of its testosterone counterpart but the difference between testosterone decanoate and nandrolone decanoate is nil (in theory, no one has measured the half life of nandrolone cypionate to my knowledge. But it works well in practice).

3rd. The solution that the hormone is carried in also makes a big difference. Simply put the more hydrophobic your solution your solution the harder it is for the hormone to enter into water. So if you have testosterone enanthate in caster oil with lots of benzyl benzoate you can have a half-life of around 12 days. On the other hand if you use polyethylene glycol or glycerol with no hydrophobic solvents you can have a half-life of less then 8 days. The goes for all hormones. This is due to the reduction (or induction for the hydrophilic solvents) of exposure to water. The less exposure to water the longer the half-life. The more exposure to water the shorter the half-life.

4th. The biology of the person being injected, and the placement of the depot can also affect things. The first part is simple, people with faster metabolisms process things faster then people with slow metabolisms. More enzymes and faster processing of the metabolites will break down the depot faster, this exposing more of the esters to water. Another considerate is where the depot is located. Most people don’t think of this but if you place (inject) the depot into an often-used muscle the increased agitation is going to expose more of the hormone to the water. Its like mixing two difficult to-mix liquids together, by hand is going to take a lot longer then if you use a mixer. For most people this isn’t a consideration and site rotation take care of it but it is a consideration if you’re a long distance runner shooting in the legs or a boxer shooting in the triceps. This is another reason site rotation is important; it evens out the release of the hormones.
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I’ve been doing my quads for quite a while and I hit the same spot every time.
I do two hits of 250ml test cyp a week and rotate between both quads.
After a while the areas becomes accustom to the injection.
But when I start a new cycle they usually hurt and swell a little for the first couple of hits, then no problem.


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