I am having back surgery (fusion) and would like to know how long I should wait and what would be the risk of doing a cycle after the surgery.
Why would you cycle if you can't push 100% at the gym??
I would think you would want to concentrate on your back healing and get that all squared away before cycling.
He probably wants to gain back the lost muscle post surgery.
If you are talking about spinal fusion...from what I've read recovery takes quite a bit of time..
My father is supposed to get it soon and I've been reading up on it. Personally I would say just make sure your diet is clean while "layed up". I mean if you eat well during your recovery period you shouldn't really get fat or lose so much musce imo.
I didn't have fusion, but I did have a lumbar hemi-laminectomy and discetomy (basically removing the herniated portion of the disc). I was competely down for about a month, followed by light activity for a month. Then I was allowed light lifting in the gym for another month. After the 3 month point I was told to be careful, but that I should be able to do anything that didn't cause pain.
I'm able to do every upper body exercise with the exception of low-back specific ones, i.e. hyper-extensions. But I'm good for rows, chins, etc.
As far as muscle loss, I went from a fairly lean 185 down to a very lean 160-165. I kept the diet clean and high in protein (200g and up) but the complete lack of any resistance training for 2 months followed by really light weight for another month really caused some atrophy. I was unbelievably weak when I finally got back to lifting seriously. Some of this is likely due to my genetically high metabolism, as even at 165 I was the heaviest of my entire extended family. And they all eat a good down home farm diet - bacon, sausage, and pan-fried everything!
One I got back in the gym for serious lifts, the weight came back pretty quick, getting up to 175 at the 6 month mark. That's when I couldn't take the frustration anymore and hit up a 4 week PP cycle. Now I'm sitting at a fairly lean 185 with my strength back, one week into PCT.
Why use the PP when I was gaining on my own? What it boils down to is a self-esteem issue. When you look in the mirror and hop on a scale, and you see your hard earned muscle disappearing, it's damn depressing! Then you finally get back in the gym, and you max out at a weight that's a third of what you used to rep with. It just adds to the depression.
So I chose to use PP. So what! It's relatively benign (with proper precautions and PCT), I felt awesome for the first time in more than half a year, and I gained back some of the muscle I had stolen from me.
Spinal fusions are even more difficult to recover from, and I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Take it slow, listen to the doctor, and most of all listen to your body.
I'm not going to recommend running a cycle as soon as I did, but if you choose to do so don't let anyone tell you it's a waste. After the physical and mental pain of surgery, the only person you have to please at the end of the day is yourself.
Best of luck, and I wish you a speedy recovery!
gpman, i had disc fragments removed at 33 and then 2 years later i had fusion of l4 and l5 the first surgery recovery was very fast i would say 3 months, the fusion on the other hand was long,it took a good solid 6 months before i could get into the gym, even then it was still painfull but i went anyway, go slow , the recovery time is very important, if you do go to the gym stay away from squats for at least a year and stay away from deadlifts forever (exact words from my doc). the surgery worked for me very well, i could barley even walk prior to it and that was taking 12 advils a day, the pain now (20 months post) is very minimal, for some reson only when i lay on my back in bed after being up and around all day. one last thing if you do cardio stay away from running for a good year, the impact is pretty painful , i found it much more comfortable to do the eliptical. good luck man.
well said.Originally Posted by goa1175