HOT or NOT: does this cycle make sence or is it complete bull****
02-06-2006 09:08 PM
02-06-2006 09:20 PM
I can tell you right now that using M1T and SD together is not a good idea.
02-06-2006 09:26 PM
Yeah, I agree with punta. IMO, I would run the SD for the first 3 weeks with the sust. Sometimes is also good just to run test by itself if its your first time running AAS (even though you did do an m1t cycle) just so you can feel the test kick in.
02-06-2006 09:37 PM
I've read on here quite a few times that Sustanon is NOT a good first-time choice. The recommendation is cypanioate or enanthate.
02-06-2006 10:10 PM
I agree. You could do enanthate + SD. That would give you some nice gains.
Originally Posted by jmh80
02-06-2006 10:49 PM
Would totally love to try that myself.
02-06-2006 11:54 PM
In my opinion the sustanon is pointless. If I'm reading this right,2 amps for a 6 week cycle is not nearly enough. It's not going to do anything noticeable for you musclebuilding wise. At the very least, you need 1 amp a week(preferably 2) with this cycle.
02-07-2006 12:01 AM
Definetly not enough sust in there. Also the 2 orals are a bad diea IMO. pretty much what everyone said above me looks good. Pretty much besides that it looks fine.
02-07-2006 07:11 AM
propionate 4.5 days half life ?! it's active life is around 48-72 hours, it will disappear of your system within 4 days,
and susta sucks, whether you're a novice or expert
02-07-2006 09:12 AM
sust has it's place but you have to inject EOD to take full advantage of all 4 esters. it's no different than any other test, just timing issues. anyhoo, that cycle doesn't look so hot IMO. sust is definately not a choice for guys (or girls if ya'll are into that sorta thing) on a first cycle. test enan or test cyp will be your best bets, being that you have to inject those 2x/wk (monday/thursday for example), and you'll keep steady blood levels. like the others mentioned, M1T followed by SD is a horrible idea and i can't even fathom what your blood work would resemble after such an experiment. pick one and either drop the other, or place it later in the cycle. similar to this:
M1T 20mgs ed
SD 20mgs ed
after your last dose of SD, start PCT the following day.
02-07-2006 09:15 AM
Next time I am looking for some cycle advice I am going to post some bull **** stack and let you do all the work
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
02-07-2006 09:17 AM
it's not work, it's just common knowledge on how to design a cycle. i'd even help you smelly-pants.
02-07-2006 09:19 AM
if he had posted some bull**** along the lines of "yo bros, what's the best roid for mass?" i would have simply ignored it.
02-07-2006 09:33 AM
I know it was just a joke, why do some people take **** so serious. Damn guess I gotta watch who I "joke" with now. HAHAHA!!!Marshmelo man is ovulating today!!!
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
02-07-2006 09:44 AM
Running with the Big Boys
dang beelz..you gonna take that from him?
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02-07-2006 09:53 AM
Your damn right he is. Remember I am the hardest " Internet tough guy out there"
Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
02-07-2006 09:18 PM
I'll give the guy that he really put some thought into his post.
I mean - who here even knows how to use Excel to make those graphs?
He made an educated guess. Turns out to be pretty much wrong - but I'll give him points for a thoughtfull post.
Rather than the typical "best 'roid for mass".
02-07-2006 11:28 PM
Right on. But I have to ask, what is this Excel you speak of?
Originally Posted by jmh80
02-08-2006 03:31 PM
This is for scienceboy, can u get 5 amps of sust? If so then try this, for a first timer it should be a decent 4 weeker.
day 1,4,7,10,13-250 sust
day 17-26 20 mgs superdrol daily
start pct on the 28-32 100 mg clomid, then 33-42 50 mg clomid
This is base on sust half life build up and decline for constant plasma levels.
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02-09-2006 10:51 AM
First of all thanks for your insightful post. The buildup of that cycle is very aggressive i can see exactly why many juice like that.
Originally Posted by bad rad
I just have to say that i could never understand the need for so much testosterone. A mature male secretes between 4 and 10 mg of testosterone per day. Injecting as often as you and others suggest ( i read logs etc ) would put the amount of free testosterone unbound from esters and ready to do its job at close to 400mg by the 18th day of the cycle.
Lets say im not the average male and i make 20mg of testosterone... im still putting in 20x my baseline. With that much testosterone im pretty sure the androgen receptor gets downregulated and thats counterproductive.
I see people blow up all the time get huge fast of dbol and sustanon, but with in 6 months they keep fractions of those gains.
Im not trying to gain 40lb in 6 weeks. i want more like 20 in 6 weeks (too much enthusiasm..?), but i wanna keep it, i don't want to retain water and i don't want to **** myself up. Thats why I though about superdrol after m1t because m1t caused water retention for me and the general concensous about superdrol seems water loss and hard dense muscle gain.
Most people just said its not good or its dumb but they offered no explaination. I assumed its because of hepatoxicity... which is why i have just 1 day of overlap between when all of the m1t clears my body and when i start superdrol.
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