POLL: Designer Steroids: let's rate them
- 01-31-2006, 11:27 AM
- 01-31-2006, 12:10 PM
Good thread. One thing though, by Hot do we mean really popular or the ones we liked? Cause for me I really like H-50 and PP and I hate SD. BUT I know a lot of guys love SD.
- 01-31-2006, 12:53 PM
Hot is "It works"... We all know what's popular: stacking a bunch of them for 8 weeks with 50g protein ED and no PCT after two weeks of training.
01-31-2006, 02:01 PM
SD and knockoffs?!
Most knockoffs do not/have not worked as well as the original SD. I don't think you can actually place them in the same option.
01-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Do you mean like Methyl-Drol and Supervol as knock-offs?
"A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time. When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment and replied, The one I feed the most." -George Bernard Shaw
01-31-2006, 03:14 PM
This is a great thread, was everyone who voted basing on gains or gains vs sides, SD users report more sides than h-50 and PP. Is this right? Or were the SD side just user specific opinions?
01-31-2006, 03:17 PM
Well for me I like PP and H-50 better because though I think I would have had good gains from SD the side effects (fatigue and loss of libido) were too much for me and I had to stop.
Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
01-31-2006, 03:21 PM
01-31-2006, 04:56 PM
Isn't 1-test a prohormone, i.e. actually banned? This is a poll regarding what's currently available in retail. Otherwise, there might as well be 987,654,321,000 options. Smartass
01-31-2006, 05:00 PM
ya i def have to say PP is #1 alltime super duper winner (sounds like a japanese description) and then i would have to say meo-trn.
im sure SD will prob get the most hits purely cause it is more widely used and although i liked it alot it pales in comparison to these other 2.
01-31-2006, 05:34 PM
Funny....but sad, too.Originally Posted by Grunt76
Hey Grunt, thanks for picking this up and running with it, and putting up the poll. So far, looking like clear winners will be SD and PP.....probably no surprise here.
If HD-50 had been more available all this time at a better price point, it may have been a strong contender, from what I have read of folks that used it.
01-31-2006, 05:41 PM
Somewhatgifted ..... love your avatar...mind telling me who it is and maybe where I can see more.
If she is your girlfriend, my congratulations and apologies.
01-31-2006, 07:21 PM
Not to get off topic, but 1-Test is an active hormone, the target hormone of 1-AD.Originally Posted by Grunt76
But anyway, back to the thread. Nice poll, Grunt.
01-31-2006, 11:40 PM
Hey! Its a 'designer steroid', its my favorite, and its not on the listIsn't 1-test a prohormone, i.e. actually banned? This is a poll regarding what's currently available in retail. Otherwise, there might as well be 987,654,321,000 options. Smartass
Just messing around, back to the thread
I havent tried any of these, but PP looks the most appealing if I felt like going for it.
02-01-2006, 02:34 AM
Aren't you gonna? I mean... Eventually?Originally Posted by BigVrunga
02-01-2006, 06:23 AM
They don't??? I was under the impression that since they're the same exact compound, they would work the same?Originally Posted by c-los 21
02-01-2006, 09:32 AM
Probably not...Aren't you gonna? I mean... Eventually?
02-01-2006, 09:49 AM
They are supposed to, that doesn't mean they will.Originally Posted by Moyer
In other words, some knockoffs either don't contain enough active ingredient, or contain different ingredients than what they list.
02-01-2006, 10:06 AM
whats up bros never tried any but really interested in sd, hd, methyl plex. I already have them all and added them to to my old stash of designers which comes to the total of 3 lg methyl gels m1t, 1 lg methyl gel m4ad, 2 gaspari mehtyl d extremes with 3 mg each tab, 2 sns methyl plex, 1 lg methyl masterdrol, and 1 halodrol. btw i am planning to do methyl d by gaspari in about a wk and just wonderindg if this stuff works or should i get rid of it. thanx
02-01-2006, 02:52 PM
Im having the best time ever on PP and lr3...
Awesome recomp feel good stack...
I have a tender back...and hate back pumps.
Superdrol makes me feel super sick.
02-01-2006, 08:44 PM
What facts/evidence do you have to base your statement on?Originally Posted by c-los 21
Please define how you measure 'worked as well as'.
Off the top of my head, MethylDrol-XT is a SD knock-off. What proof do you have that it does not/has not "worked as well as the original SD"? Please enlighten us. Thanks.
02-01-2006, 09:08 PM
02-01-2006, 09:08 PM
as far as gains superdrol and h-50. but i felt great on h-50 and i dont feel too good on superdrol. pp worked good but bloated me and i didnt like prostanz at all
02-01-2006, 11:09 PM
02-03-2006, 11:06 PM
Some good stuff there except fot the PP which felt like I had been shot in the back. I'll hold to my original opinion from over a year ago, SD is still the best. The plus is that for me it has a very positive libido effect and also seems to help in healing my shoulder problem.
02-04-2006, 01:18 AM
Interesting about the PP and bloat...Originally Posted by jjordanj
I just finished H-50. All I can say is I'm impressed. I would compare it to roughly 30mg/day Dbol (w/out the sides, less pump) or 40mg/day Tbol. It is in fact 50mg of an OT-like precursor (in current batches). That is a pretty hefty dosage. Despite it not converting to estrogen I noticed some slight bloating. It was most notable in my face, especially under my chin/upper neck. By no means did it bloat me by the normal terms we see used. But I didnt have that 100% dry feeling. I was using the very first batch so perhaps this is due to the DMT that was in it. Exactly how much is debatable and depends who you ask. Either way I gained ~10lbs and was pretty shocked how effective it was. The last "prohormone" that tempted me was m4ohn (before the ban) so you can imagine my surprise.
Anyway, PP is DMT. So I suppose one could expect some slight bloating on PP? I have yet to try it myself but I have a bottle. I think I need to wait 4-5 weeks before trying it to fairly judge. Not to mention Im sure my liver would like the break. I think its fair to assume that PP is slightly more androgenic than H-50 - correct? I suppose 30-40mg PP would roughly equate to 1 50mg tab of H-50.
All these methyls... Some people are really going to be doing a number on the old liver. They are effective and fairly cheap. In terms of wise usage vs abuse, I have a bad feeling a lot of people will be sliding into the "abuse" side of the spectrum. It's so tempting/easy to take higher doses or stay on too long. It's also quite alarming to think 15-16 year old kids could be taking this stuff. This new breed of prohormone is no joke. We are talking about designer steroids here. I dont see it lasting long, but who knows.
I'm very curious about this Methoxy-TRN I've seen mention of. I really havent followed the whole prohormone scene until recently. How and why is this associated with Tren in any way? ALRI used to make it but not anymore. For anyone who has used Tren you know its the god of AAS (w/ a test base obviously). What exactly was this compound and did it live up to the hype? Obviously they were trying to convey Tren in a pill.
Bump for more input/experience. Educated, experienced replies based on these products is greatly appreciated. It's nice when users can compare them to real world AAS compounds so some of the more traditional "users" have a way of gauging it. PP seems to be one of the most popular choices besides SD. I'm really not interested in trying SD. It seems too harsh and not even worth it. I've seen too many bad profiles after its use. I'f I was desperate for the absolute most anabolic/androgenic oral compound I would just pop some Jolly Greens! I'm more interested in finding that happy medium between sides and results - That balance of androgenic and anabolic (prone to MPB by the way). Until now, I had been conviced that in terms of orals, OT was the holy grail.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche
02-04-2006, 01:51 AM
I know Ryansm has a log of methoxy-TRN somewhere on this board. He's the most experienced bro I've seen with a TRN log, so he might have thoughts comparing it to trenbolone.
02-04-2006, 03:58 PM
ya bro havent used real tren before but i have run both mtrn and PP and can tell you if you want insane strength awesome recovery, super huge pumps and ok weight gain with acne and small decrease in libido choose MTRNOriginally Posted by Alpine
as for PP i dosed it with 75-125 mg of prostan and experienced not only no bloat but insane vascularity and rock hard pumped muscles almost constantly! got damn near the same strength gain as i did with MTRN and with something this androgenic and it even being MORE anabolic then superdrol (wich is supposed to be THE anabolic and is known for it) it goes without saying youll throw the muscle on .... that with increased libido mood sleep appitite and no bloat or acne make PP+prostan my alltime fav.... with the new ZOL from generic @ double dosing half price and SNS you could run a FATTY cycle for around 55 bucks (still need PCT but thats a given) and thats the same price for the H-50 and youll prob be left with extra
as for the dose NO 30-40 is not the same as a 50 mg H-50.... you wouldnt dose M1T the same as m4ohn would you???
the highest id ever go would be 30 just dont think any more could possible bring any added benifit and only increases damage and risks for sides.... wich i still never had...
02-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Has anyone here tryed emax and PP sepratly? I ran e max at 10-20-20-20 and though it was an ok, but I was wondering if a 20-20-20-20 of pp would do me better which i plan on running in the future. I know they are basicaly the same thing on paper, but it seams like everyone loves pp, but have mixed deeling about emax. Thanks guys.
02-04-2006, 05:13 PM
I have tried both separatey bro. I actually thought I got better esults from Ergomax except that it was the only compound that ever gave me gyno (legal or illegal). THe PP was a bit dryer in gains and pretty effective with a slightly less boost in libido and overall weight gain. Still good though.
Originally Posted by NJLovehandles
02-04-2006, 05:18 PM
What kinds of dose did you run of Emax and PP, Mr.50?
02-04-2006, 05:22 PM
3 caps per day of Ergomax and 2 caps per day of PP. Whatever the max reccomended dosage was on the bottles. Spread out throughout the day. Now maybe the results with PP were slightly less in a number of respects because of the reduced dosage but on paper mg for mg PP is supposed to be stronger then Ergo so.......
Originally Posted by Grunt76
02-04-2006, 11:16 PM
02-06-2006, 02:04 AM
ya but both compounds are the same just diff isomers of DMT and that means even though mg to mg PP is stronger and cleaner it was the second time your body had that compound and who knows the conditions of both cycyles and the length of time that was between them.... i'll tell you most people favor PP by far to Emax if they ran it a while ago.... who knows i loved PPOriginally Posted by Mr.50
02-06-2006, 02:32 AM
I agree Poop. PP is still great.
Originally Posted by poopypants
02-08-2006, 06:15 PM
Got awesome results from SD, but the sides about killed me. Every day I felt like crawling in a hole and dying. Gonna give PP a try soon, hearing tons of good stuff about it.
02-09-2006, 12:40 AM
Hey Addiction....I have heard a lot of people complain about the sides of SD, which is one reason I have been slow to try it so far. It seems to be much rougher on some than others, though.Originally Posted by Addiction
Did you ever do any M1T, and if so, how would you compare the sides of SD to M1T? I guess I will only find out for myself when and if I finally try the SD.
02-09-2006, 07:03 PM
Never tried M1T. Did some Test, D-Bol and Deca a few years back though. SD gave me freakish gains in weight and strength. Yeah, your right, everyone reacts different to the sides. The **** just makes me extremly tired. Cant wait to give PP a try.Originally Posted by kbp
02-09-2006, 07:21 PM
Addiction, is your avy a joke on SJA or w0t?
02-09-2006, 07:36 PM
Who or whats SJA?Originally Posted by Grunt76
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