What makes shots hurt?

  1. What makes shots hurt?

    Cut from dg806's sticky at Ironmagazine..original credit given to Doom.

    High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know –

    1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
    2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
    A) add solvent (BA or EA).
    B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester
    the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg
    per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is
    also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while
    you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less
    actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are
    some examples:

    Ester actual mg/100mg dose
    test no ester 100
    tren acetate 87
    test prop 83
    test enanth 72
    test cyp 70
    test undecan 63
    nand phenyl 67
    nand deca 64

    This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml
    you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the
    weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like
    a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester
    is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg
    per ml solvent concentrations.

    This brings up the next point; PAIN!
    Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons.
    One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over
    about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY
    inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY
    enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much
    that it causes inflammation.

    The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the
    depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions
    feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST,
    leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN.
    Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If
    you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and
    make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the
    oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body
    absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the
    gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the
    depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum
    solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into
    solution than you could otherwise, but not so much
    that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are
    correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole
    depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt.
    Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS
    . You can shoot 5
    cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It
    IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone
    search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's
    the damn holy grail???

    What is too high? Well the length of the ester is
    really what determines that but most of us here know
    the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests
    over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250
    mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren
    at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about
    what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are
    designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper
    for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits
    instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
    because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT
    Less oil does not promote
    the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.

  2. I guess I'm a freak...LOL!

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Klaus
    Actually, the volume of oil certainly does contribute to pain. Try dumping 1.5 - 2 cc of oil into a bicep. It will leak and it will hurt (to the genetically normal atleast).
    You should inject deeper depending on the volume.. this way you lessen the chance of oil leaking from depot into the adipose and irritating it.

    By your statement, I may be a mutant then, because I can dump 3cc's into my delt.

    but you do have a point as well.

    Good post Mmorpheuss. I remember that one.. I do believe it's been poached many times before.

  4. Also by dumping an overload of oil in a particular area, you run the chance of having a sterile abcess up also..

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Klaus
    ... I suppose one might say it is all a balancing act.
    That's exactly what it is. There are only a limited number of ways to cheat, I have mentioned them before.

  6. good rightup


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