- 01-21-2006, 12:03 AM
Thats my first time taking roids,, so im doing a 25 days cycle of d-bol taking 20 milligrams a day,, 5 grams with each meal,, i would like to know what you guys think about this dosage for a starter ?,, my friend took it for 50 days and gained 20 pounds of mass doing this dosage. I'm 171 right now trying to gat up to 185.
thanks a lot.
- 01-21-2006, 12:13 AM
you honestly need to be a ton of research. personally, I don't think you are anywhere near ready to jump on the AAS wagon..
01-21-2006, 12:14 AM
Actually from looking at your other posts, you need a bunch more time in the gym to even be thinking about using any type of AAS or PH's. I have a feeling your diet needs a ton of work also...
01-21-2006, 12:25 AM
I know that sounds harsh bro but he's right.
There are alot of good bros here to help you get on track with everything else before you even have to worry about supps.
01-21-2006, 12:33 AM
allright,, im here to learn,, can someone tell me then where to start instead of criticizing and saying im on the worng track ???
01-21-2006, 12:38 AM
Matt already answered this question bro.Diet and training. Read. Study.Originally Posted by Matthew D
01-21-2006, 12:39 AM
Sure, check out the search function or spend some time in the Diet section along with the Exer. Science forum. Supplements are useful, look into Creatine Ethyl Ester and a good protein powder.
01-21-2006, 12:48 AM
my diet is fine,, i have 6 meals a day,, trying to keep them at a 2:1 ratio,, i train very intensilly,, im gaining from 1 to 2 pounds a week,, i just want to speed up the process
01-21-2006, 12:50 AM
01-21-2006, 01:34 AM
Focus on your diet and training. Leave the aas alone for the time being. If you feel the need for any supps, you may try some cee or protein shakes... Wait on the AAS use.
01-21-2006, 02:27 AM
if your gaining 1-2 lbs per week then theres no need to use an aas. Protein and creatine can bring you along a long way.
01-21-2006, 02:43 AM
yea but i need to gain 15 pounds in the next couple of months,, then cut down,, u know,, gotta get ready for summer
01-21-2006, 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by PH3
Stick with what is working for you. You have plenty of time to gain 15lbs before summer. Save the AAS for another time.
01-21-2006, 03:06 AM
Need to gain that much and lose bodyfat for "summer"?
I think its somewhere in the rules that fair weather bodybuilders aren't allowed...isn't it?
J/K...Just listen to the advice your peers have given you.
Their criticism is constructive criticism, so I'd suggest you learn to accept it.
01-21-2006, 03:37 AM
i feel you bro you want to gain weight quick, but my expeience with dbol anyway was alot of bloat i would lose half of what i gained but that was awhile ago and i didnt know what i was doing. 15 lbs in about 5 months should be no problem for you to gain if your gaining 1 lb a week. once you stop gaining get some cee to break your plateau.
01-21-2006, 04:07 AM
01-21-2006, 07:14 AM
If you're already carrying more bodyfat than you would like, it is not a wise thing to jump into a cycle period, much less one with Dbol.
I've seen plenty of people try to bulk when they should have cut first, and halfway through they start feeling like a fat slob, so they compromise their gains by changing things up.
01-21-2006, 07:27 AM
01-21-2006, 08:57 AM
01-21-2006, 12:26 PM
01-21-2006, 12:30 PM
no shortcuts bro. being that your diet is 'fine', you surely wouldn't mind posting it, right?Originally Posted by PH3
also, 1-2lbs a week? please.
you ain't kidding anyone here brutha.
bottomline, you're not ready for AAS. do some research before jumping headfirst into what your 'buddy' considers a good cycle and you'll find out that a dbol only cycle is ridiculous.
"yea but i need to gain 15 pounds in the next couple of months,, then cut down,, u know,, gotta get ready for summer"
why do you 'need' to gain 15lbs in the next couple months? even if you do, it's not conceivable to then turn around and trim all the fat off.
pop quiz: ever hear of PCT?
01-21-2006, 12:35 PM
Damn straight.Originally Posted by mmorpheuss
PH3 - I know you probably don't want to read more of the same, but these guys are right. You're not an AAS user yet.
Besides, if you're already gaining 1-2 pounds/week (not likely much LBM), why would you screw with that? Unless you're gaining mostly fat, which is hard to say without pix. If I was gaining a half pound of LBM per week, I'd be thrilled, and I wouldn't change a thing.
If you need roids to get in shape for summer, your diet is not fine, and your lifting/cardio is not effective. You have 4+ months - you mean to tell us you can't get in decent shape in 4 months?
01-21-2006, 12:40 PM
01-21-2006, 12:45 PM
I know it seems hard right now bro but I think that you're in "magic pill" land right now.Originally Posted by PH3
Take the advice of all the cats trying to help you, hold off on the pills until you've got more time in under the iron.
01-21-2006, 12:50 PM
WOWOriginally Posted by PH3
excellent idea. when your liver comes shooting out your nose when you sneeze, you can then examine the damage done to it.
let's see, bf of 10-12 on a board equates to at least 16-18 in real life, so it sounds like diet might need some work, as suspected.
bulking with dbol only - not good
cutting directly afterwards with winny - even worse
bump for the previous dozen suggestions - research.
i must say though, your information is commonly thrown around the gym from 180lb monsters so i can't directly blame you for buying into it. but in all seriousness bro, you really need to do your own research in this matter. AAS is not meant to be taken lightly. if you do it correctly, your gains will by far exceed any of your buddies who obviously have no clue as to what they're doing. we all start somewhere, so i suggest now is your time to shine. i'll give you a hint, oral only cycles are a horrible idea. even these new superduper designer ****s will work better with some test thrown in the mix. begin researching cycles today, now, immediately. you'll come to find that test only is the way to go until you get your feet wet. orals, IMO, aren't worth the trouble anyway. only reason guys prefer dbol is because of the fast gains you acquire, but thereafter shortly lose being that most of it was water anyway. it's a dealer's dream come true. you get on dbol, great gains (kinda), you get off, lose most of it, and come back to the same dealer asking for more of the same **** that screwed you to begin with. like fat bastard said, "it's a vicious cycle".
01-21-2006, 12:54 PM
my diet :
breakfast : 1 slice of wheat with peanut butter, small cup of coffe, 1 protein shake ( 50 grams )
mid morning snack : genisoy snacks
lunch: rice, black beans, and chicken
mid aftenoon (before workout): 1 protein shake ( 50 grams),, 1 slice of ham, 1 slice of cheese,,
post workout: Countdown shake
1:30 after workout: 1 bowl of yam soup with a can of tuna
before bed : 4 egg whites and a casein protein shake (25g casein, 25g whey )
well this is my diet,, hope im on the right track
thanks a lot for the posts
01-21-2006, 12:56 PM
I hope this is supposed to be low carb?Originally Posted by PH3
Do you even know how many cals you are getting a day with this stuff?
Your liquid to whole food ratio doesnt look good at first glance either.
01-21-2006, 12:58 PM
01-21-2006, 12:59 PM
01-21-2006, 01:01 PM
couple questions, what is a genisoy snack? what is a countdown shake? what is the macronutrient breakdown of your food, i.e. protein/carbs/fat? at first glance, your diet isn't horrible but it definately needs some pointers. since you've gone this far, go find all of the food that you eat and figure out the total cals, pro, carbs, and fat and post it up. i see a few things already i could suggest, but i'd rather keep them all to one post once all the details have been provided.Originally Posted by PH3
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