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  1. Promagnon-25 Log


    i've decided to be a guinea pig and give promag - 25 a try.

    just got my order last week and started my cycle today:
    wk1 25mg Promag
    50mg Orastan-E
    wk2-4 50mg Promag
    75mg Orastan-E
    wk5-8 RXT
    DHEA

    got my bloodwork results yesterday and everything looks good prior to starting.

    stats: 31yrs old; 5'10"; 176lbs; lean (not sure the exact body fat % but you can easily see my abs)

    i've lifted my entire life and have never tried any cycle - so i may not be the best judge. but i can at least tell you what i'm feeling and any weight/strength changes.

    let me know if it would be worthwhile and i'll keep updating.


  2. Good luck on your cycle man! I say definately keep a log. Just becareful and pay close attention to any negative sides, especially since this is something new. Allthough a lot of people are saying that it is the same thing as H-50 but only half the dose, Promagnon supposedly is to methyl test, what H-50 was to d-bol. SO again good luck, train hard and eat big!

  3. subscried looking forward to seeing results/sides
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  4. Subscribed. Glad to see a log for this.

  5. If you want to be a true guinea pig, drop the orastan-e. That way you and us know what it does on its own.

    edit: ohh yeah, post your bloodwork if possible.
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  6. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    If you want to be a true guinea pig, drop the orastan-e. That way you and us know what it does on its own.

    edit: ohh yeah, post your bloodwork if possible.
    jonny is 100% correct! I think I missed the orastan-e part before, I would have said the same. But I suggest you do like jonny said and drop the orastan. Should have a lot of interested viewers on this one.

  7. subscribed. Good luck on the cycle.

  8. 1st Day Update:
    jumped on the scale this morning and weighed 173! i believe it is water weight i'm missing.
    feeling dehydrated and pissing a lot. i've been trying to drink more water.
    have had a continuous mild headache.
    also my appetite seems weak.
    my workout was fine - no change - but this is only the first day so we shouldn't expect much.

    i think some of the things i'm feeling are just due to a virgin body starting its first cycle??

    i think i'm going to follow your guys advise and kick the Orastan-E and just cycle with Promagnon.

    with supplements or medication my body seems to respond well to small doses.

    since i've always been natural and this is my first cycle i should experience some improvement from just P-25 if it is legit.

  9. blood work:
    i'm not the best at reading this report but my doc said i'm within the healthy range on everything.
    here are a few #s i think are important -
    test 405
    cholesterol 165 (he said a reading over 190 would be a concern)
    total liver reading .59 (he said a reading over 1 would be a concern)

    let me know if you would like to see other #s and i'll post them

  10. in and watching!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

    i think i'm going to follow your guys advise and kick the Orastan-E and just cycle with Promagnon.

    with supplements or medication my body seems to respond well to small doses.

    since i've always been natural and this is my first cycle i should experience some improvement from just P-25 if it is legit.
    Excellent move

    For a chemical like this I would be interested in seeing before and after:
    ALT
    GGT

    I assume the Test levels will drop while on cycle and Lipid profile will be disturbed to some extent. I think it would be a real help to see if there is any liver toxicity issues, that's why the GGT is important.

    Thanks for the log and and your openess to suggestion.

    peace
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  12. Subscribed

  13. following w/ interest.

  14. hank im goona try this one too,lets see how you make out. GOOD LUCK

  15. Following along too.

  16. Day 3:
    headache has subsided
    my energy level has seemed to return

    a couple of zits have appeared on my back over the last day
    appetite still somewhat weak - having to force myself to eat

    workout last night seemed unchanged - however i think i may be less sore/tight today than usual - not sure if this is just a placebo effect or i am recovering quicker

    it's only my 3rd day and i'm only starting w/25mg/day so i would think i shouldn't expect to feel much yet - right?

    again, i apologize for this being my first cycle and probably not being the best judge of this stuff since i am unable to compare it to other products

    somewhatgifted - glad to hear i'm not the only one that is going to try this stuff

    johnny21 - ALT: 26 GGT: 38

    i am planning another blood test after to compare
    question: when should i get that done? - immediatly after i'm done w/promag or sometime during my pct?

    today is a rest day for me so i'll probably post again in a few days

    thanks everyone for all the feedback!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut
    johnny21 - ALT: 26 GGT: 38

    i am planning another blood test after to compare
    question: when should i get that done? - immediatly after i'm done w/promag or sometime during my pct?
    Well, if you get seperate draws then after Promagnon for the LFT's (after 48 hrs rest)and after PCT(maybe an additional 2 weeks for hormones to stabilize) for the Test levels.

    The above would be ideal to check liver toxicity. If you need to get them drawn at the same time then wait until after PCT.

    again, i apologize for this being my first cycle and probably not being the best judge of this stuff since i am unable to compare it to other products
    Don't give it another thought, we all start from the same place in this regard.
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC
  18. Cool


    [/quote]again, i apologize for this being my first cycle and probably not being the best judge of this stuff since i am unable to compare it to other products[/quote]

    Hey bro you may not be able to compare it with other stuff, but right now you are the only judge of it. So again good luck with this cycle, hope it goes really well for you, and I will be tuned in!

  19. Stay safe while using this product.

  20. Day 5:
    i seem to be settling in with this product. feeling good. there is definitely some psychological influence to running a cycle. just knowing that i'm taking this stuff makes me think i'm getting results. but i'll do my best to try and remove the emotional part and try to post just the facts and actual results.

    my recent workout was good. i worked bis & tris. i've recently (2 weeks ago) dedicated a full day to arms since they seem to be lagging. i figure they could use the extra emphasis.

    so far - not any stronger but seem to have had more enduarnce with this workout. i added additional sets to my usual workout without any problem and felt as if i could have kept going without any fatigue. don't want to credit this all to promag just yet as i occasionally feel good and have a strong workout from time to time.

    with the good workout came some extra soreness today though.

    i'm going to ease into increasing my dose to 50mg/day. starting to take 25mg every 20hrs instead of every 24hrs. tomorrow i'll move to every 16hrs then every 12 by tuesday. not sure if this will matter but doing it anyway.

    here is a quick run-down of where i'm at today:
    - i'm back up to my starting weight 176
    - my appetite has improved significantly - i even woke up last night to alleviate my hunger pains.
    - i may have jumped the gun on letting you know that my headeaches have dissipeared - they are less frequent/severe but do still come and go. - and i rarely get headaches
    - drinking tons of water but still feel dehydrated (the headache feels like a dehydration headache) - pissing a lot every 30 minutes like clockwork
    - so far no noticable/significant change in apprearance or strength

    i'm glad i kicked the orastan-e, i think promagnon may be all i need in my first cycle.

    chest & shoulders workout is next - i'll let you know how it goes.

  21. Been checking your BP? Can be a factor in headaches. What does your caloric intake look like? can also be a factor.
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  22. Good point on the blood pressure.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut
    Day 5:
    i seem to be settling in with this product. feeling good. there is definitely some psychological influence to running a cycle. just knowing that i'm taking this stuff makes me think i'm getting results. but i'll do my best to try and remove the emotional part and try to post just the facts and actual results.

    my recent workout was good. i worked bis & tris. i've recently (2 weeks ago) dedicated a full day to arms since they seem to be lagging. i figure they could use the extra emphasis.

    so far - not any stronger but seem to have had more enduarnce with this workout. i added additional sets to my usual workout without any problem and felt as if i could have kept going without any fatigue. don't want to credit this all to promag just yet as i occasionally feel good and have a strong workout from time to time.

    with the good workout came some extra soreness today though.

    i'm going to ease into increasing my dose to 50mg/day. starting to take 25mg every 20hrs instead of every 24hrs. tomorrow i'll move to every 16hrs then every 12 by tuesday. not sure if this will matter but doing it anyway.

    here is a quick run-down of where i'm at today:
    - i'm back up to my starting weight 176
    - my appetite has improved significantly - i even woke up last night to alleviate my hunger pains.
    - i may have jumped the gun on letting you know that my headeaches have dissipeared - they are less frequent/severe but do still come and go. - and i rarely get headaches
    - drinking tons of water but still feel dehydrated (the headache feels like a dehydration headache) - pissing a lot every 30 minutes like clockwork
    - so far no noticable/significant change in apprearance or strength

    i'm glad i kicked the orastan-e, i think promagnon may be all i need in my first cycle.

    chest & shoulders workout is next - i'll let you know how it goes.
    Note that hormones can also have physcological effects with them also. You will feel more upbeat,or should I say confident and better self esteem. Keep downing the water, and watch out for any signs of cramping. Aslo try and monitor your blood pressure. Even though it does not seem like you headaches might be due to increased bp, because you did state you have better endurance, but especailly wtih some of these methylated hormones, bp increase is a side effect, and constant headaches, especailly the throbbing kinds, can be a sign of high bp. Hope the gains start comming soon for you

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Been checking your BP? Can be a factor in headaches. What does your caloric intake look like? can also be a factor.
    Hey jonny , I see you beat me to it! LOL! I don't know how I missed your post! Feel like a dumb ass now ! But oh well, at least now he know to keep track of his bp!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by swole210
    Hey jonny , I see you beat me to it! LOL! I don't know how I missed your post! Feel like a dumb ass now ! But oh well, at least now he know to keep track of his bp!
    There can never be too much of us looking out for each other.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by swole210
    Hey jonny , I see you beat me to it! LOL! I don't know how I missed your post! Feel like a dumb ass now ! But oh well, at least now he know to keep track of his bp!
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  27. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright
    There can never be too much of us looking out for each other.
    TRUE THAT! Good point!

  28. If blood pressure is elevated, get some Hawthorn Berry (by NOW) and some Celery Seed Extract (by Natural Factors).

    Nutraplanet sells both.

  29. Day 6:
    i think i'm starting to get somewhere.
    in a typical chest workout i max out with 4-5 reps @ 225 (and i've been stuck here for the past 2 yrs straight)
    last night i pushed 8 reps @ 225 and then did another set of 5 @ 235! wow!!

    and i just feel good!!!

    good point on the blood pressure. my bp readings are usually in the high end of normal (135/85) and high bp runs in my family so i am likly prone.

    i'd really like to know what my bp is at right now but it's annoying to visit the doc to just get a bp reading. i wish i had one of those arm-band-pump-meters here at home.

    calorie intake is clean - i wouldn't say squeaky clean but the ratio of carbs/protien/fat is good. i usually consume between 3000-3200cal/day. over the last couple of days i'd guess i've increased it to maybe 3600-3700/day.
    i usually consume between 170-200g of protein/day.

    i'm actually going to work on decreasing my salt intake. this should also help with blood pressure. i eat a lot of things like salted amonds that can't be good with the amount of salt they have. now that i think of it i also included table salt on my brown rice last night and then again on my egg whites this morning.

    thanks agian for the input. let me know if anyone has any suggestions/advise. i really appreciate it!

  30. Wal-mart has those blood pressure machines.
    I'd also guess that a pharmacy might have them as well.

    You could start by taking readings over the next few days to get calibrated to the machine.

  31. Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Wal-mart has those blood pressure machines.
    I'd also guess that a pharmacy might have them as well.

    You could start by taking readings over the next few days to get calibrated to the machine.
    Yep. You can allways do that, just make sure to take it a few times in a row, to make sure you are getting a correct reading. Also with hormones that increase bp, it would be wise not to take caffeine or stimulants along with it because this will further increase your bp. Like jonny stated above, things like Hawthorn berry, celery seed extract, and also things like garlic extract and EFA's are also good ideas to help out with bp and lipid levels.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Wal-mart has those blood pressure machines.
    I'd also guess that a pharmacy might have them as well.

    You could start by taking readings over the next few days to get calibrated to the machine.
    I've wondered how accurate those machines are. I recently tried the free blood pressure machine in my drugstore and was very pleased with the reading, so I hope they're accurate.

  33. Celery Seed and Hawthorne Berry do a decent job at getting my blood pressure down, but I was noticing that I still had some pretty horrible headaches that clearly came from BP issues.

    ...I ordered a bunch of potassium and I take a 1Gram/day now and it kicked my BP back into shape and I havent had a headache since. Just a suggestion.

  34. I don't know whey, but taking triplicate or more readings at the same time and averaging would be the best idea.

    They might be off as far as accuracy, but hopefully they are at least reproducible.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Cheezefacta
    Celery Seed and Hawthorne Berry do a decent job at getting my blood pressure down, but I was noticing that I still had some pretty horrible headaches that clearly came from BP issues.

    ...I ordered a bunch of potassium and I take a 1Gram/day now and it kicked my BP back into shape and I havent had a headache since. Just a suggestion.
    HMMM. Didn't know this one before. I think I will try this next time I run something that skyrockets my bp. Thanks.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by swole210
    HMMM. Didn't know this one before. I think I will try this next time I run something that skyrockets my bp. Thanks.
    No prob, give it a shot and see what happens. My friends usually run Calcium/Magnesium/Potassium all together (I forgot the doses to be honest)....but when they run those 3 things together at decent doses, their BP stays almost perfect even on cycles that are notorious for raising BP.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Cheezefacta
    No prob, give it a shot and see what happens. My friends usually run Calcium/Magnesium/Potassium all together (I forgot the doses to be honest)....but when they run those 3 things together at decent doses, their BP stays almost perfect even on cycles that are notorious for raising BP.
    Good **** I want to run SD next, and while it gave me great gains, my damn bp was through the roof! M-1T was really bad for me, and so was Tren. Those have been my 3 worst as far as bp goes. Thanks again for the info bro!

  38. Week 1 summary:
    i've successfully completed my first week of my promagnon cycle at 25mg/day.

    i am increasing my dose to 50mg/day starting today, so this week should help give some more insight.

    also, planning on getting my blood pressure checked after work today. i'm giong to swing by my pharmacy to see if they can check it for me. thanks for everyones advise on this.

    here are the quick stats after wk1 -
    - no change in overall weight or appearance
    - very slight (if any) increase in strength
    - seem to have zero bloat/water retention
    - no noticable androgenic sides (the few zits i had early on have dissipeared)

    only complaints so far:
    - i have to pee too frequently
    - ocassional headache
    - suppressed appetite initially

    not much else to report yet.

  39. Are you getting 300g of protein a day?, No noticable strength gains? Im goona think again before I order this, Phera plex and superdrol sound much more impressive so far, hang in there hank eat lots hope you have a better 50 mg experience, that might be the difference. Good luck

  40. I have a bottle of this at the house and will be doing it come summer time as part of a cutting type phase. I am currently doing superdrol to help bulk up. I am curious to see how you do on this.
  

  
 

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