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    next cycle need feedback


    here is the next cycle i am planning... and i am looking for feedback...

    weeks 1-15 250 test enth 2x a week = 500/wk
    weeks 1-15 100 Winny EOD
    weeks 1-15 100 Primo EOD
    weeks 1-15 HCG 2x a week

    herbs/vitamins throughout cycle
    normal PCT

    dont tell me primo is too expensive (dont care about cost)

    again thanks for all the responses

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    100primo EOD ? That's a LOW ass dose,why you wanna run primo at this low dose ? Run it at least at 600, and 15 weeks on winny even injectable will seriously mess with your liver, keep it no longer than 6 weeks, 7 at MAX to be on the safe side man, no offense at you, you should research more .... skip the HCG for the on cycle (and at what dose you plan to run it ? )and run it 2 weeks before the end of the cycle and keep on 2 weeks for PCT (500 iu E3D).. check out http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm great article about PCT,

    and btw, how does your " normal PCT " looks like ?
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    you will literally **** out your liver using that much winny .. don't go longer than 6 weeks with winny its incredibly harsh
    also use the winny ed it doesn't have the halflife to go eod

    and don't bother injecting it .. there's no benefit over oral injestion
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    depending on your experience with test, i'd go up to at least 750mg per week..
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    thanks for all the responses:

    ok firstoff:
    will raise the primo dose, thought i could get away with less due to the test and winny

    Re the winny:
    thought i could get away with a longer timeframe due to the lower dose EOD and i take a lot of liver protect supps

    Re HCG:
    on cycle dose is 500iu 2x a week the day b4 the test shots

    Re "normal PCT"
    Start HCG 2 weeks after last shot….
    200 iu a day for 10 days
    Start clomid day 5 of HCG, Take 2 pills / day for 20 days

    re my experience:
    last cycle:
    test enanthate 200 /prop 50 blend ** week 1-10
    test enanthate 200 ** week 1-10
    superdrol ** week 1-2 , 7-10
    deca ** week 1-10

    ok revised next cycle: (please critique)
    weeks 1-15 250 test enth 2x a week = 500/wk
    weeks 1-5, 10-15 50 Winny EOD
    weeks 1-15 200 Primo EOD
    weeks 1-15 HCG 500 IU 2x a week

    please critique
    thanks in advance
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    don't use HCG during PCT, its suppressive .. it will do its job at 250iu 2x a week .. you shouldn't need 500iu 2x a week

    take the winny ED .. its halflife is too short to be used EOD

    your PCT plan is subpar IMO .. i prefer nolva to clomid because of the sides associated with clomid

    i would run nolva at 60/40/20/20 for 4 weeks and i like rebound XT as well at 1 pill a day throughout

    IMO 4 weeks is the MINIMUM for pct
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    I agree with Glen on most accounts, but I think Clomid is far superior for HPTA stim than Nolva.. .even with the emotional sides.. That being said,I use both per Pheedno's protocol, so how do you like me now? lol

    It's totally a preference thing regardless.

    250iu 2x a week like he said. 4 weeks minimum.. yup.
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    ok guys thanks again for the input:

    here is my cycle revised again:
    weeks 1-15 250 test enth 2x a week = 500/wk
    weeks 1-7 50 Winny ED
    weeks 1-15 200 Primo EOD
    weeks 1-15 HCG 250 IU 2x a week
    weeks 13-15 Superdrol

    revised PCT:
    Start HCG 2 weeks after last shot….1000 iu a day for 10 days
    Start clomid day 5 of HCG, Take 2 pills(102) MG / day for 30 days (clomid works great for me)
    rebound XT 1 pill a day
    i have used teslac in prev PCT but not sure that is needed
    i am confused on no HCG during PCT i am getting conflicting info on that one

    please advise
    thanks in advance
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    use the superdrol weeks 14.5-16.5 since you aren't gonna start pct until then anyway
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    here is my cycle revised again:
    weeks 1-15 250 test enth 2x a week = 500/wk
    weeks 1-7 50 Winny ED
    weeks 1-15 100 Primo EOD
    weeks 1-15 HCG 250 IU 2x a week
    weeks 14.5-16.5 Superdrol

    revised PCT:
    Start HCG 2 weeks after last shot….1000 iu a day for 10 days
    Start clomid day 5 of HCG, Take 2 pills(102) MG / day for 30 days (clomid works great for me)
    rebound XT 1 pill a day
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    i wouldn't use the HCG during PCT. ... especially at that dose. It's suppressive FOR SURE at 1000iu. The proponents of HCG use for PCT use it at 250iu with Nolva... might I add I'm not one of them.

    otherwise looks ok...
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    I just gotta say, the advice you guys give is great. I'm watching this cycle get better with each post.
    Nice Work.
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    again: thanks for all the responses:
    i too appreciate the fact i can post a cycle and have you help me tweek it to perfection....err close

    i am now researching HCG during PCT.

    why do some say to use it and others dont?

    any other advice?
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    Apparently, using it in high doses can cause a desensitization of the leydig cells, and it can be suppressive for natural production.
    Using it in a lower dose while on cycle can keep the boys working, so when PCT rolls around, everything recovers a little quicker.
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    You want yor body to start producing it's own LH. If the HCG is mimicking it your body will sense it does not need it thus: suppression. Why would you want any suppression at a time when you are trying to get your body working normal again? PCT is all about returning body functions to normal output/levels. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
    depending on your experience with test, i'd go up to at least 750mg per week..
    Bump to this. I am in week 9 of 500 ew and wish that I had more so I could bump the dose. Dam budget.
    Get enough so you can bump the dose if gains are not coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the42nd
    I just gotta say, the advice you guys give is great. I'm watching this cycle get better with each post.
    Nice Work.
    this is why i love this forum, some very experienced bros who are not afraid to help their "brothers in 'arms'" out

    thanks guys!
  

  
 

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