MOHN Replacement, Any post-ban products even close to it?
- 11-15-2005, 06:41 PM
MOHN Replacement, Any post-ban products even close to it?
I dearly miss MOHN. There is a bevy of post-ban products Ergo Max(s), Pheraplex, etc. but I haven't kept up with real-world feedback and frankly am a bit overwhelmed.
What a need is something suitable for long term use, say 8-12 weeks or more continuously for dieting and also for clean, slow steady bulking. Health concerns rules out stuff like Superdrol. The characteristics I'm looking for in rough order of importance are:
minimal lipid impact
positive effects on mood/energy/well-being (at least not that M1T "death like" feel)
minimal water retention
low liver panel impact
In short something like anavar - though I have no source for that. Anything currently readily available that's even close?
- 11-15-2005, 07:00 PM
That's so funny you posted this ...I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today....I loved MOHN...ufortunately..I didn't get enough to run it more than once at the high dosage that I like.
- 11-15-2005, 08:08 PM
Yea I never actually stocked up from the original ban (wish I had now, I would love some of the good ol transdermals, to many god damn methyls, nothing that great to take besides the methyls) and once the ban was over I read all about MOHN and how much people liked it. I REALLY wish I would have been able to try it. Who knows, maybe a source would start selling it. I am not sure what MOHN actually was, if it was a ph to something or its own steroid.
It was (is) a steriod. 17a-Methyl-4-Hydroxynandrolone. It received comparisons to Anavar and/or Primo. It wasn't super anabolic, but it's lack of sides were always welcome . It was a good addition to cutting.
I ran it at 50mgs for 6 weeks and was very pleased with it. My abs came through much easier. I used it on a mild cut and looked my alltime best at the end of the cut.
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
I used it up from 28mg and leveled off at 36mg (or was is 40? lol.)
Made for a great end to a dieting down period...ended up gaining a little bit o' muscle.
this thread is making me drool. I ordered what I thought was the mother load of MOHN pre ban. I didnt realize that it needed to be dosed around 36mg a day. So I ate it all in one cycle lol...................I am absolutely in LOVE with MOHN. I recomp;d amazingly on it,felt pumped, wired , just damn good.
I liked m4ohn a lot too. I got all mine from DesignerSupps. I just made a post asking about H-50 and PP. Im basically searching for the best m4ohn alternative also. Obviously anything even close to Anavar would be great.Originally Posted by tlow4u
Check it out:
That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche
If Halodrol-50 is anything like oral turinabol then that's probably going to be the closest you'll get.
I believe it is still legal to sell, however as most PH/pro-steroid products are produced in the US, mohn is near impossible to get in the uk now also.
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that still has several bottles of M4OHN from DS. I started to run a short cycle of it about 6 months ago but had to stop due to work and school getting hectic. The more I read, the more I learned that I needed to dose higher because of my weight. Here I am coveting my stash of PHs like the guy from LOTR. My Precioussssss....
This thread is interesting because half the time people are/were usually bashing on M4OHN because it's weak, no results, need high doses, etc. etc. Now it seems people are missing it like a lost child or something!!!
My take is this: It is a mild but good substance for cutting and very moderate gains with minimal sides---yeah, a lot like var. If you run it at 36mg/day or more, you'll probably like it! My best M4 runs were 6-8 weeks, starting at 8-12mg/day (stacked with X, Y, or Z for 3-4 weeks), then ending at 36-40mg/day solo.
Prostanozol seems to fit fairly well with what your looking for. I ran it for 8wks and had no "noticable" shut down, no change in mood or well being, no water retention, and no "death like" feeling associated with m1t. The liver and lipid panel I don't know as I didn't plan to have blood work done. But since it's unmethylated I would assume that it's in the ball park with M4OHN if not a little better.Originally Posted by tlow4u
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
I would say the closest things would be Prostanozol especially becuase it is unmethylated Winni and Halodrol-50 if what BK says is true! The Phera chemically is too androgenic for what you are looking for, despite the lack of sides in my opinion!
I'm guessing M4OHN and Halodrol are probably pretty different actually, but then I don't usually believe what BK says when he's busy pimping a new Gaspari supp. No offense to BK (necessarily), but advertisements (in general) in this industry are about as genuine as is professional wrestling.Originally Posted by Atlas
No offense to professional wrestling, of course, and I mean that from the heart.
As a matter of fact, I've always maintained that pro wrestling is the most honest sport in the world! Why? Because everybody knows that it's fixed, so nobody loses any money betting on it!!!
<<(foreign object in the ring...)
Hey guys who are comparing the prostan to the mohn, what dosage did you use and did you run it solo?
Not to get off track, but how long will MOHN last before losing it's potency? I bought a ton of it before the ban and have enough for three 5-week cyles.
I didn't even know that M4OHN was that good, I have a bottle stored away in my freezer. I picked it up free with the original SuperDrol deal. I have been trying to figure out what to do with it?
I used the standarded dosage of 75mg(3caps) per day for for 8wks during the summer(solo cycle). It did a really good job of maintaining muscle mass on a cut and bringing out density and vascularity for the summer. All in all from my personal experience with both compounds(prost. and MOHN) I'd say that they are both really close to each other. I basically got the same results from each.Originally Posted by WannaGro
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
I think the theoretic half-life was around 4-6 hours. It seems to take a week or two to start to "feel" it. Despite that, I recall still "feeling" it about a week or two after subsiding. I had success at low doses (12-16 mg/d, @ 210-215 lbs.), but most folks ran it at moderate/high doses of about 24-36 gm/d.Originally Posted by Gumbo
But the 17a-methyl group changes so much. Everyone seems to think that the methyl group just makes it more orally absorbable. IN reality, it really radically changes the types of gains. Look at 1-T and m1t.Originally Posted by Atlas
i am going to run a prostanozol/m4ohn cutting cycle for 6 weeks before next summer...i know were to get m4ohn he he
I've used MOHN, and when looking for a similar effect (getting lean and adding a little quality LBM with little sides) I found a low dose Emax cycle to really do a good job. I ran 4 weeks at 10mg daily.
Gains were lean (about 7 lbs), PCT was a breeze, all gains kept.
No sides at all.
"I am on a drug, it's called Charlie Sheen. It's not available, 'cause if you try it once, you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body." - Charlie Sheen
guys im pretty sure hes asking about the shelf life not the halflife of the powders.Originally Posted by Gumbo
I've been thinking of doing the same thing. What was your calorie intake like? Had you used emax before, and if so what dosages?Originally Posted by Skigazzi
Lol. That hurts.Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
I guess it's just a matter of looking hard enough though.
That's what I was thinking...
That's what I was thinking as well. A while back I even created a post asking a similar question: Why was it that even though most people didn't have great things to say about MOHN (many complaining that at it's suggested dose it's a joke, even at 40 - 60 MG you won't gain much etc.) & then A. L. Rea stated that MOHN was his favorite all time Pro-Steroid in the original ErgoMax ad literature.Originally Posted by milwood
Both cases it's like it was around and not that big of a deal, most said not to bother with it & after it's banned there's all of the new positive attention to the product. I hope it was underlooked last year & is a better product than initially believed to be but just like with alot of other things -once something is gone, discontinued -just no more available it seems as if it always becomes "better" now than when it was freely available.
What about good 'ole M-Dien / Methyl-D?
While on the MOHN subject, what about M-Dien (Methyl-D), has anyone noticed any new "intrest" in it as well as MOHN (as they were often stacked together) or is Methyl-D still lacking in its reputation?
I wonder if one would be better if both MOHN and M-Dein were now available to them for someone to take a larger dose of MOHN alone versus lowering the MOHN dose to allow for a stacked dose of M-Dien?
Since M-Dien is not being looked upon so favorably as MOHN these days (at least I haven't seen that on the forums) stacking the two may be a thing of the past with MOHN alone cycles being the better choice (if M-Dien still turns out to be not so hot).
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