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  1. Phera-Plex/SuperDrol/Prostanozol Bulking Log


    In case anyone remembers, I had originally planned to run PP/SD with HST, but due to some unforseen events that came up as my wife and I began moving into our new house, I didn't get started with that, and in the meantime I decided "**** it - it's winter - I'm gonna stick with what I know and what's worked."

    So I'm basically going to bulk until next April. I'll be dosing the following protocol, started this a.m.:

    Week 1
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 75mg

    Week 2
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 3
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 4
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg
    SD: 20mg

    Week 5
    SD: 20mg

    Week 6
    SD: 20mg

    PCT
    Nolva: 40/40/20
    Fenugreek: 1g/2g/3g/4g
    DHEA: 200mg/200mg/100mg
    MACA: 2 tbspn/day throughout
    Green Bulge

    Ancillaries
    Also running Hawthorne Berries, PrimaForce Pro-Liver, Multis and EFAs throughout

    Workout
    2 warmup sets & 3 work sets @ 8 reps just short of failure, and I'll do 1 heavy workout per week in the 5-6 rep range.

    Exceptions are chest which I'll take to failure as often as I can based on the exercise and if I have a spotter or not and biceps - I'll be taking biceps to failure every exercise, every set

    Tues - Chest/Tris
    Thurs - Back/Bis
    Sat or Sun - Legs/Shoulders
    I'll also be running 1.5 miles on mondays and 2 miles on wednesdays.


    Diet
    I'm 5'10" @ 181 and ~14% (calipers) with a 34.5 in waist (yuck). My BMR is about 3025, but I'm shooting for 4000-4500 cals/day. Lots and lots of oatmeal, chicken breasts, natty pb, whatever my wife cooks for dinner (last night it was stir fry). I'm not going to be eating any fast food or "junk" food as I want to stay as clean as possible, but I'm not going to shy away from anything because I want to gain as much as possible.

    This morning I had a shake that I searched the boards and found that was 800 cals @ 44P/35C/22F, I'll prolly be having that almost every morning (thanks glenihan).

    1 cup fat free milk
    1 cup oats
    1 scoop ON whey
    1 scoop ON casein
    2 egg whites (raw)
    2 whole eggs (raw)
    Last edited by Magickk; 11-14-2005 at 12:59 PM.


  2. Looks to be a good one.

    On a side note, how are you figuring your RMR?

    Have fun, and good luck.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Looks to be a good one.

    On a side note, how are you figuring your RMR?

    Have fun, and good luck.
    Harris-Benedict formula with my activity level as "moderate".

    185lbs
    70in
    23yrs
    0.5 Act factor

    Does that seem off?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Magickk
    Does that seem off?
    Nah, bro. Many ways to skin a cat. I always use the Cunningham equation. It uses LBM, MET's and time spent for activity.
    More important is how it works for you. Just curious as to what others are using.
    peace

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Magickk

    PCT
    Nolva: 40/40/20
    Fenugreek: 5g/4g/3g
    DHEA: 200mg/200mg/100mg
    MACA: 2 tbspn/day throughout
    Green Bulge
    Shouldn't the Fenugreek increase weekly? 3g/4g/5g
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  6. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arenít you running 3 methyls? I like the anabolic side of this cycle but it looks to be very toxic to the liver? I'm thinking of running a maxLMG/sd cycle here at the end of the year and I would much rather do it with sd/PP instead, but I just concerned about the toll on my liver. If some one could shed some light on this I'd really appreciate it. There seems to be alot of conflicting information about the level of toxicity and the affects of different compounds when they are combined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magickk
    In case anyone remembers, I had originally planned to run PP/SD with HST, but due to some unforseen events that came up as my wife and I began moving into our new house, I didn't get started with that, and in the meantime I decided "**** it - it's winter - I'm gonna stick with what I know and what's worked."

    So I'm basically going to bulk until next April. I'll be dosing the following protocol, started this a.m.:

    Week 1
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 75mg

    Week 2
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 3
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 4
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg
    SD: 20mg

    Week 5
    SD: 20mg

    Week 6
    SD: 20mg

    PCT
    Nolva: 40/40/20
    Fenugreek: 5g/4g/3g
    DHEA: 200mg/200mg/100mg
    MACA: 2 tbspn/day throughout
    Green Bulge

    Ancillaries
    Also running Hawthorne Berries, PrimaForce Pro-Liver, Multis and EFAs throughout

    Workout
    2 warmup sets & 3 work sets @ 6-8 reps just short of failure

    Exceptions are chest which I'll take to failure as often as I can based on the exercise and if I have a spotter or not and biceps - I'll be taking biceps to failure every exercise, every set

    Tues - Chest/Tris
    Thurs - Back/Bis
    Sat or Sun - Legs/Shoulders
    I'll also be running 1.5 miles on mondays and 2 miles on wednesdays.

    Diet
    I'm 5'10" @ 185 and ~15% (calipers). My BMR is about 3025, but I'm shooting for 4000-4500 cals/day. Lots and lots of oatmeal, chicken breasts, natty pb, whatever my wife cooks for dinner (last night it was stir fry). I'm not going to be eating any fast food or "junk" food as I want to stay as clean as possible, but I'm not going to shy away from anything because I want to gain as much as possible.

    This morning I had a shake that I searched the boards and found that was 800 cals @ 44P/35C/22F, I'll prolly be having that almost every morning (thanks glenihan).

    1 cup fat free milk
    1 cup oats
    1 scoop ON whey
    1 scoop ON casein
    2 egg whites (raw)
    2 whole eggs (raw)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by tanto
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren’t you running 3 methyls? I like the anabolic side of this cycle but it looks to be very toxic to the liver? I'm thinking of running a maxLMG/sd cycle here at the end of the year and I would much rather do it with sd/PP instead, but I just concerned about the toll on my liver. If some one could shed some light on this I'd really appreciate it. There seems to be alot of conflicting information about the level of toxicity and the affects of different compounds when they are combined.
    No I'm not running 3 methyls. Obviously, I'll be paying attention to any sides that may indicate excessive toxicity ie, headaches, nauseousness, dizziness, etc.
    Last edited by Magickk; 11-08-2005 at 11:40 AM.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by meowmeow
    Shouldn't the Fenugreek increase weekly? 3g/4g/5g
    Good call bro. For some reason I was thinking it was ramped DOWN, but after some more research I noticed that the man himself "Dr.D" runs it 1/2/3/4 and takes 2 weeks off... Thanks

  9. Yeah the Feng. will bring the boys back in no time, and while youre bulking enjoy the weather in Nov!!!
    Be prepared to like Phera, its going to pump you up quite nicely

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    Yeah the Feng. will bring the boys back in no time, and while youre bulking enjoy the weather in Nov!!!
    Be prepared to like Phera, its going to pump you up quite nicely
    That's what I'm hoping for

    Btw it's a BEAUTIFUL day here for the 8th of November - it's 77 outside right now, supposed to get up to 82 - and this is St Louis I'm talking about!!!

  11. Yeah i know last week we got up to 75, which is unheard of for Nov. in the Chi !!! Also this weekend there is a fitness expo at the McCormick Place so i am going to go enjoy the 60+ degree weather this weekend !!!

  12. Nice... Have a good time bro!

  13. I know the writeup for Phera-Plex indicated a PP/SD cycle would be a good one.

    Question -- what is the advantage of starting with SD and then finishing with PP? How about inverting that cycle and starting out with Phera-Plex and then following with 3 weeks of SD? (with the overlap week in the middle)

    Would that make any difference?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by WheyGood
    I know the writeup for Phera-Plex indicated a PP/SD cycle would be a good one.

    Question -- what is the advantage of starting with SD and then finishing with PP? How about inverting that cycle and starting out with Phera-Plex and then following with 3 weeks of SD? (with the overlap week in the middle)

    Would that make any difference?
    Not sure if you're referring to someone else's suggestion or what, but that's how I have mine set up:

    4 weeks of PP followed by 3 weeks of SD (I ran 1 SD cycle before and 3 weeks is optimal for me I think) with 1 overlapping week in the middle.

    Day 2
    -Weighed in at 181 lbs. at 3:15 pm
    -Blood Pressure was 135/75 with my pulse at 77 (don't know if I was nervous or excited or what, but my resting pulse is like 45 bpm)
    -I got 11mm, 12mm, 12mm, 12mm, 11mm on my caliper readings - So we'll go with 12mm and call it 14% body fat as of now.
    -Waist chimed in at a whopping 34.5 inches! =( Even though I'm bulking that still makes me sad

    Chest and tris today went well, although my batteries died halfway through my workout, I hate it when that happens Nothing really out of the ordinary to note, except that my tricep kickback workout was the best I've ever done - I felt so "in the zone", felt the mind/muscle connection goin on, form was perfect, and that's usually tough for me on tricep kickbacks to maintain that elbow position. I don't think that's attributed to the PP though, just one of those "good sets" on an exercise you have. Other than that a pretty normal workout.

    I've got 2750 calories in so far, and 300g of Carbs, so it's off to eat some grilled chicken breasts over brown rice with sauteed mushrooms. Next workout is thursday - Back and Bis.
    Last edited by Magickk; 11-08-2005 at 08:26 PM.

  15. Well, I will keep an eye on your log because I'm thinking about trying a combination like yours. I might try it around April or May 2006.

    The supplements that you have listed, are they designed for lean muscle gaines or bulking? {I'm still kind of new this stuff}

  16. looks good Magickk. Might add some LX or something for cortisol control in PCT. I will be very curious to see how things go for you.

    I am one of the odd ones, however, who will run this type of cycle starting with 3 weeks of SD and ending with the PP weeks, contrary to the suggested cycle idea putting PP first.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
    Well, I will keep an eye on your log because I'm thinking about trying a combination like yours. I might try it around April or May 2006.

    The supplements that you have listed, are they designed for lean muscle gaines or bulking? {I'm still kind of new this stuff}
    You have a Superdrol log, though, newbie But nah, Superdrol was a great Lean muscle builder for me when I ran it the first time. We'll see about Phera-Plex. Superdrol or Phera-Plex can go either way really, bulker or cutter based on your diet. But Prostanozol is more for cutting. I'm throwing it in because I tried it already, and it's worthless by itself for me, but I've read some people getting improvements on it when they run it with other things, so I'm throwing it in to get rid of the bottle basically - it's not methylated or anything of that nature.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by milwood
    looks good Magickk. Might add some LX or something for cortisol control in PCT. I will be very curious to see how things go for you.

    I am one of the odd ones, however, who will run this type of cycle starting with 3 weeks of SD and ending with the PP weeks, contrary to the suggested cycle idea putting PP first.
    Good insight into cort control during pct milwood. Thanks.

    Why would you start off with the SD? Just curious. The method to my madness was, I haven't ran PP before, so I'll give it a shot first, because I know what SD is going to do for me, and what to expect from it, so I'll finish off with it and go into PCT from there, and also, I really wanted to get a good feeling of what PP would do for me, from a "dry" start, without there still being any SD in my system. If that makes any sense.

  19. Didn't you run a log in June called "It begins?" I think it was Max LMG and Prostan. Did you ever finish the log? How did it go?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by stinkfinger
    Didn't you run a log in June called "It begins?" I think it was Max LMG and Prostan. Did you ever finish the log? How did it go?
    I started to run that one, yes - but deleted it. I didn't even run the cycle, I still have the LMG, and this is what's left of the prostanozol. I really evaluated where I was at physically, and the more I examined myself the more I decided it wouldn't be a wise idea to run another ph cycle at that point. Plus I had so many other things going on in life, you know. The saying goes "You make plans, and then LIFE happens" or something along those lines... However, I did dose prostanozol for 3 weeks while I was doing sprint training, and saw little to no results from running it alone - I didn't keep a log of that.

  21. hehehe

    I'm still new this stuff and I'm still learning. I usually read up on different people logs and study their reaction to the supplements. I do a copy and paste of their info and place their info on a spread sheet. I research what is common and not common about each subject. Once I understand the test subject cycle...I begin the creation of my cycle.

    So yes, I'm studing your cycle.

    I hope you go towards the lean gains because that will be great news for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Magickk
    You have a Superdrol log, though, newbie But nah, Superdrol was a great Lean muscle builder for me when I ran it the first time. We'll see about Phera-Plex. Superdrol or Phera-Plex can go either way really, bulker or cutter based on your diet. But Prostanozol is more for cutting. I'm throwing it in because I tried it already, and it's worthless by itself for me, but I've read some people getting improvements on it when they run it with other things, so I'm throwing it in to get rid of the bottle basically - it's not methylated or anything of that nature.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Magickk
    In case anyone remembers, I had originally planned to run PP/SD with HST, but due to some unforseen events that came up as my wife and I began moving into our new house, I didn't get started with that, and in the meantime I decided "**** it - it's winter - I'm gonna stick with what I know and what's worked."

    So I'm basically going to bulk until next April. I'll be dosing the following protocol, started this a.m.:

    Week 1
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 75mg

    Week 2
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 3
    PP: 30mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg

    Week 4
    PP: 20mg
    Prostanozol: 100mg
    SD: 20mg

    Week 5
    SD: 20mg

    Week 6
    SD: 20mg

    PCT
    Nolva: 40/40/20
    Fenugreek: 1g/2g/3g/4g
    DHEA: 200mg/200mg/100mg
    MACA: 2 tbspn/day throughout
    Green Bulge

    Ancillaries
    Also running Hawthorne Berries, PrimaForce Pro-Liver, Multis and EFAs throughout

    Workout
    2 warmup sets & 3 work sets @ 6-8 reps just short of failure

    Exceptions are chest which I'll take to failure as often as I can based on the exercise and if I have a spotter or not and biceps - I'll be taking biceps to failure every exercise, every set

    Tues - Chest/Tris
    Thurs - Back/Bis
    Sat or Sun - Legs/Shoulders
    I'll also be running 1.5 miles on mondays and 2 miles on wednesdays.


    Diet
    I'm 5'10" @ 181 and ~14% (calipers) with a 34.5 in waist (yuck). My BMR is about 3025, but I'm shooting for 4000-4500 cals/day. Lots and lots of oatmeal, chicken breasts, natty pb, whatever my wife cooks for dinner (last night it was stir fry). I'm not going to be eating any fast food or "junk" food as I want to stay as clean as possible, but I'm not going to shy away from anything because I want to gain as much as possible.

    This morning I had a shake that I searched the boards and found that was 800 cals @ 44P/35C/22F, I'll prolly be having that almost every morning (thanks glenihan).

    1 cup fat free milk
    1 cup oats
    1 scoop ON whey
    1 scoop ON casein
    2 egg whites (raw)
    2 whole eggs (raw)
    LOL DUDE! did you seriously jack my cycle? that IS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST RAN LAST CYCLE!!!
    look at this post on my log over at ATOMIC:http://www.atomicnutrition.com/forum...topic=1293&hl=
    ok not EXACTLY but damn close. I swear man if you havent run this yet then just a heads up, YOUR GONNA LOVE IT!! the combo of PP and Prosstan is incredible.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants
    LOL DUDE! did you seriously jack my cycle? that IS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST RAN LAST CYCLE!!!
    look at this post on my log over at ATOMIC:http://www.atomicnutrition.com/forum...topic=1293&hl=
    ok not EXACTLY but damn close. I swear man if you havent run this yet then just a heads up, YOUR GONNA LOVE IT!! the combo of PP and Prosstan is incredible.
    Yes poopey, I jacked your cycle! =) And *tweaked* it a little bit

    I actually saw it posted on a thread here though, not at atomicnutrition.

    Good news for me, though! I absolutely LOVED my SD solo cycle, that'll be a tough one to top, but we'll see! I'll keep my fingers crossed!
  24. Wink hello tanto


    Quote Originally Posted by tanto
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but arenít you running 3 methyls? I like the anabolic side of this cycle but it looks to be very toxic to the liver? I'm thinking of running a maxLMG/sd cycle here at the end of the year and I would much rather do it with sd/PP instead, but I just concerned about the toll on my liver. If some one could shed some light on this I'd really appreciate it. There seems to be alot of conflicting information about the level of toxicity and the affects of different compounds when they are combined.
    Prostanozol is a non-methyl it's used as a harder in the cycle,this cycle look's o.k to me

  25. ok i thought about this after reading everyone elses posts in this forum and their interest in it to help shed some light on the cycle as well as give you, Magickk, a heads up as what to expect and some tips on what worked for me.

    first off let me reiterate how pleased i was with this cycle and the suprises it droped on me. not to say anyone else will make the same gains but i gained 17 lbs while shedding body fat on this cycle.

    ok now most people say phera for cutting this and phera for cutting that, but in all seriousness pheraplex is 1.5 times as anabolic as superdrol even though its been noted for its androgenic properties. you will be more then succesful in bulking with this supp, prob more so then you would even with SD, considering your getting such great strength (9.4 times as androgenic as SD means BIG STRENGTH) gains along with something that is putting your body in an extremely anabolic state. im sure you prob allready know this and that being said....

    youd prob be well served to dose this WITH your meals like one does with SD. i was doing so and by day 4 i already felt "ON" and was getiing full body pumps just from eating a good meal.

    i personally have close to the same stats as you do (weight bf% wise) and found that taking in slightly more carbs with these meals helped too and i STILL LOST FAT!! now i was eating a verylow fat percentage any ways and even less saturated fats so this helped, but by doing so you help build up glycogen stores in your muscles given you all the fuel for great strength gaining work outs.

    (i had gained 12 lbs by the 2.5 week mark and was starting to get REALLY INTENSE w/o's)

    as far as the prostan when i dosed up to the 100mg a day i was taking 50 at one time pre w/o now some may not like this idea but i belive it helped my pumps in gym considerably and i couldnt belive how friggen hard my muscles were after i had just worked out, or anytime of day for that manner. its as if they were always flexed and hard as rocks.

    i personally did not have any issues whatso ever while i was in the transition phase of this cycle and had both methyls runnig at the same time, no uneasy feeling no cold sweats and no lethargy or tiredness to boot. in fact weeks 3 and 4 had to be the best weeks of the entire cycle.

    as far as the SD protion of the cycle i kinda feel i got shorted and to no fault of the SD either. i started to run low on funds so i couldnt eat the same as i had on PP. i prob gained only one pound after i stopped the PP week 5 but i still was shedding fat and seeing an over all body composition change, leading me to belive i probally still had a net lbm gain of approx 3 lbs. thats right i gained 16 lbs on the Phera alone... kinda. but you get the picture. by the end of the sd cycle like mid week week6 i started to feel the effects of the methyls although it was nothing strong and over bearing but i could tell it was time to get off making it all in all a very enjoyable time while "ON".

    i just finished my 5 weeks of PCT which consisted of nolva run at 50/40/30/20/10 a test booster called Nitro T3 from NxCare And a nighttime and mornig Amino complex called Aminovol from the same company. i used a daytime NO supp called blitz cycle from fizogen, which i quite liked, and a pre w/o drink of BSN's NO-Xplode which im sure needs no expaination but just incase contains multpe NO stimulating compounds, CEE, and caffeine.

    with that im now at cycles end with 12 of the original 17 lbs and all the strength (but no more strength gains, at least not the crazy like ones i had with PP) and feelin fine and dandy.

    well i hope that helps you out somewhat if you like id be happy to answer any questions you may have and i wish you luck on the upcoming cycle.
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