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    Article: Anavar as a stand alone, Myths..?


    * I found this interesting, I've never used var - but the 'bridging' theory is appealing. I have used M4OHN at fairly high doses and it has absolutely no effect on libidio. I know a lot of bros that 'bridge' with anavar and retain a significant more amount of muscle than without - noticable fat loss.

    I know, I know - any AAS with cause suppression to a degree - but that's not completely the point... With low doses of anavar it seems possible to nearly fully recover provided that you are hitting the clomid and nolvadex, etc. etc.

    it seems like a win - win, though this article will say otherwise.



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    Going to Ask About Anavar Alone? READ THIS FIRST!
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    I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.

    First, id like to get a few things straight about var.

    MYTHS

    Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
    False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

    Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
    This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
    If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

    Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
    This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


    LIBIDO

    The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

    #1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

    #2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

    #3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

    BENEFITS

    Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

    #1 - Vascularity
    Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

    #2 - Pumps
    When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

    #3 - Strength
    Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

    #4 - Fat Loss
    Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

    CYCLE

    Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

    Cycle #1
    Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
    Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
    Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
    Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

    Cycle #2
    Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
    Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
    Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

    Cycle #3
    Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
    Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
    Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

    If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

    LIVER PROTECTION

    Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

    It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

    1 - Milk Thistle
    The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

    2 - R ALA
    A powerful antioxidant

    3 - NAC
    Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

    4 - Vitamin C and E
    Antioxidants

    5 - LOADS of water
    Helps to flush out your entire system

    LIPID PROTECTION

    Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

    1 - Flax Oil
    Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

    2 - Policosanol
    Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

    3 - Niacin
    Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.

    I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and ill do some editing.

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    great article !
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    I'm using var for the first time at 50mg/day right now for 5 weeks to end cycle. I don't go for the "bridge" thing myself, but it seems like a great cycle "finisher".
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    Var is a wonderful thing. I would also agree with diminishing returns statement. I went as high as 80 and there was no real difference then var at 40-50mg.
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    Im doing it @ 45mg. No complaints, the "boys" actually got larger. Tried 60mg but the BP went up so I backed off.
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    Anavar, in my mind, is one of the best compounds one can choose to use. It is relatively safe and yields nice results.

    However, forget the bridge idea b/c it is not a good one.
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    I wouldn't go for the bridge, because I would really never come off if went into that dark musky dancehall...

    I however am salivating at the thought of using Var at the end of my cycle. I like everything I hear or read about it. Thanks for the write up Deo.
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    which is more suppressive DHEA or Anavar?
    (at an anabolic dose)
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    I however am salivating at the thought of using Var at the end of my cycle. I like everything I hear or read about it
    same here I remember first when I jumped in the game I thought anavar was a weak ass steroid based from some readings
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    m4ohn/anavar is - but it serves it's purpose if you diet is in line is you want to preserve muscle and see recomp
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    which is more suppressive DHEA or Anavar?
    (at an anabolic dose)
    Var by a mile

    Is there really an anabolic dose of DHEA.
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    probably not for those who have used the real deal methinks
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    I've always thought var would be great if it was anything like M4ohn or vice-versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    which is more suppressive DHEA or Anavar?
    (at an anabolic dose)
    Anavar w/o question
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    Only bad thing about Anavar is the friggin price.
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    ^^

    yup that's why when I'll use it i'll buy raw powder and make a suspension
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    Comparing anavar to m4ohn is a crime. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
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    really.. well good, I have something to look forward to with the var
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    hey frenchbb - you've started quite a few good threads at SIB -- HRT related
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    Var is some great stuff for sure - I didn't notice much LBM gain, but my strength went up alot...

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Only bad thing about Anavar is the friggin price.
    That, and the effect on our lipids... can be pretty hard on cholesterol for some...

    Also, buying the powder and capping it is def. the way to go; sooo much cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown_SC
    Var is some great stuff for sure - I didn't notice much LBM gain, but my strength went up alot...
    It really is a great drug for strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis
    Var is a wonderful thing. I would also agree with diminishing returns statement. I went as high as 80 and there was no real difference then var at 40-50mg.
    if you don't mind some questions: How long did you run it? Was it an "Anavar only" cycle?
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    hey frenchbb - you've started quite a few good threads at SIB -- HRT related
    CED which threads are you talking about ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by french_muscle
    CED which threads are you talking about ?
    umm, 'clomid during HRT for big balls'.. haha something like that - lots of good posts and personal experiences, rather than the usual echos of "clomid won't help on cycle... blah blah..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown_SC
    Var is some great stuff for sure - I didn't notice much LBM gain, but my strength went up alot...



    That, and the effect on our lipids... can be pretty hard on cholesterol for some...

    Also, buying the powder and capping it is def. the way to go; sooo much cheaper.
    Yeah good point but I'd rather do an oral solution since the effective dose is not enough to fill one cap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Yeah good point but I'd rather do an oral solution since the effective dose is not enough to fill one cap
    Exactly, I think throwing some in PEG would be much easier, at least for me, LOL to dose.
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    can var be suspended in olive oil, anyone tried?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    can var be suspended in olive oil, anyone tried?

    Won't work. even lozgod's recipe is tough to get into solution at 20mg/ml. Suspends great in peanut butter though
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    Quote Originally Posted by velikimajmun
    Won't work. even lozgod's recipe is tough to get into solution at 20mg/ml. Suspends great in peanut butter though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    can var be suspended in olive oil, anyone tried?
    Looks like Snakebyte did in his log. I've read that it is semi-possible since it is not a permanent suspension, you just have to shake before dosing. Just like some of the research chems. One formula I found was: 1gram anavar: 1ml BA: 18ml Olive Oil. 50mg/ml
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Looks like Snakebyte did in his log. I've read that it is semi-possible since it is not a permanent suspension, you just have to shake before dosing. Just like some of the research chems. One formula I found was: 1gram anavar: 1ml BA: 18ml Olive Oil. 50mg/ml
    hmm, i was just looking to make a 20mg/ml solution, i could modify that though for my use. thanks for the info.
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    What would be the purpose of puting BA into an oral solution wouldnt it make more sense to use BB ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarfacebling
    What would be the purpose of puting BA into an oral solution wouldnt it make more sense to use BB ?
    preservative
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    Just the other day I made some in everclear at 35-37mg/ml, it crashed within 12 hours, I tried reheating it back into solution and got that done, then it still crashed again very soon. I diluted it down to 20mg/ml, heated it in boiling water and shook the hell out of it and it has been 3 days and its still in solution with no crashing. Used just straight everclear, no PEG, I figured I would need the PEG, although with it I could get a higher concentration I am sure.
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    var is so expensive.

    I prefer tbol - I feel better when I'm on it and I'm a bit hornier.
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    var is so expensive.

    I prefer tbol - I feel better when I'm on it and I'm a bit hornier.

    no bloat/fat retention either.
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    var is cheap if you get powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    var is cheap if you get powder.
    some of us don't have access to powder and aren't going to ask where to get it in the public forum.
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    some of us wouldn't tell anyway, but everyone has access to it. just gotta know where to look
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    You don’t have to rub it in on the people who are not in the know beelze but yeah it can be had for 10 or 12 USD a gram this is why you hear about people and these oral solution recipes.
  

  
 

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