Winter Bulker: HMMMMMMM?????

[Beowulf]

I plan on doing about an 8 week bulker using all legal/recently legal compounds. I'm just using this thread as a place to brainstorm ideas for the cycle. I have a bunch of 1,4 andro, and I might just run it all in one cycle, as it seems doses need to be high to get results. Here is what I am initially playing with:

Days 1-60: 1,4 Andro 1.2G ED
Days 1-20: Superdrol (20mg ED)
Days 20-60: MAX LMG (75mg ED)
Days 40-60: E...MAX LMG (20mg ED)
Days 50-80: IGF-1 (50mcg ED/5on-2off)

Again, this is just a rough draft. For e.g, I need to find out if 20 days is sufficient to go from SD to E...MAX. I will definitely run the appropriate CoQ10, etc, but I don't know if that will cut it. I could just axe the E... I also will have Methoxy TRN, so based on user feedback at that point, I'll consider that as a possibility. I have some 4AD transdermal that I could throw in there, but I don't like the idea that it could rub of on my lady or nephew. I'm concerned about libido, especially with the MAX LMG. Would Powerfull possibly help here? I know some will say test is necessary, but I'm not quite there yet.


I haven't thought too much about what PCT will consist of, especially since so many new products keep coming out. I would expect some Activate/ATD concoction w/Nolva on hand as a precaution. I might also start the ATD Around Day 45: I've heard ALR compare it to HCG, though I haven't heard much anecdotal support for this.

Please chime in with ideas.

[motiv8er]

Everything looks pretty good bud. The first thing thst caught my eye was the max lmg for 20 days with 1, 4 diol. Are you seeing anyone? Are they cool if you are not able? My understanding of Max LMG is that its like an oral tren of sorts. Hopefully by then the 1, 4 will have kicked in by the time the SD fully exits. SD always seems to linger with me a good week or so after last admin. Look foward to watching.

[Beowulf]

Huh, while you were replying I was revising to add some comments that addressed the possible wet noodle. Powerfull? 4Derm?

[ryansm]

Add some test, it will do a body good

[Beowulf]

If I do the 4Derm, I think I have enough to run 400mg for about 50days. I just don't like the idea of it possibly rubbing off on others. I wonder how long this is a potential issue for? 1 hour after application? 6?

[ryansm]

Good question, I would say 4-6 hours or longer. Just make sure to apply it in an area that will be covered during the suspected contact. (if possible)

[bigpetefox]

You ankles and the tops of your feet would be a good out of the way area for a transdermal..

[ryansm]

Just what I was thinking, and if you get freaky in the sack, just wear socks.

[Beowulf]

Thanks, gents. The contemplation continues...

[Beowulf]

Just what I was thinking, and if you get freaky in the sack, just wear socks.

OK, I'll put a sock on every appendage, except my...


With snow falling in Boston and winter on its way, it should be a lot easier to justify the need for sox...as I drip sweat all over her

[motiv8er]

What if he has a massive toe fetish? That could be bad for his toes getting off. Toes gotta get their freak on too, eh.

[Ubiquitous]

I agree with whoever said throw some Test in there. lol

I say that about anything. I'm a zealot for Test.

TEST!!!

[bpmartyr]

If I do the 4Derm, I think I have enough to run 400mg for about 50days. I just don't like the idea of it possibly rubbing off on others. I wonder how long this is a potential issue for? 1 hour after application? 6?

Even if a small amount "rubbed off" on someone it would not be an issue. Say 50 mg somehow got onto someone, (which I think is a very high number, just to be safe) at most 30% would penetrate their skin, much less in reality since the carrier would have dried/absorbed within a few minutes after application, that leaves 15mg. Now figure the 4AD converts at roughly 15% leaving 2.25mg of test. Hardly enough to spit at. 4AD is not an irritant like 1Test is.

I have used 4AD trans several times and have had good results even though I would often engage in physical activity that gets me all sweaty within 2hrs of application. Also engaged in a lot of mating rituals shortly after application and never had a problem. Not recommended with 1Test however.

That being said (typed), use it man! The libido is awesome on that stuff. Test rules, and with 400mg ed, you should yield about 125mg of test ew.

[David Dunn]

I'm with bpmartyr on the transfer. My wife has given me a hard time about that in the past, and of course I am always cautious, she is just obsesively phobic sometimes. Here's my take on the 4AD. We purposely rub it directly on ourselves, with the hope of getting ~30% absorption, and of that maybe a 15% conversion. If by accident I make contact and transfer some residual onto someone else consider the potential for there to be an appreciable transfer of active, then factor the absorption and conversion. I would be more concerned with the skin irritation from the solution, or if using 1-T, the same.

As far as your cycle, if I recall this will be the first. So if you don't have test, certainly use the 4AD at least 400mg/d. If you had 1-T that would be a very good first time stack. My line of thinking is use a progressive appraoch to your androgen choice. Baby steps to the bulking process as well as the cutting process. JMO

[bda55]

Beowulf, not trying to hijack your thread, but I have a little question about the transdermal 4-AD: I've used it twice before dosed 400mg daily, would 800mg daily be a reasonable dosage for my next cycle (doing PP atm, thinking of ending with 2 weeks M1T/4AD)? That yields about 250mg of test per week, which doesn't seem too high for me (190lbs)... ?

[CEDeoudes59]

Insert DHEA too? (provides a small test base I hear...)

[David Dunn]

Beowulf, not trying to hijack your thread, but I have a little question about the transdermal 4-AD: I've used it twice before dosed 400mg daily, would 800mg daily be a reasonable dosage for my next cycle (doing PP atm, thinking of ending with 2 weeks M1T/4AD)? That yields about 250mg of test per week, which doesn't seem too high for me (190lbs)... ?

It may yield the 250mg/w of test but there is a whole lot of aromatization/estrogenic sides with that conversion and potential for a whole lot of bloat to be expected with that much 4AD.

[Beowulf]

B5150 and BPMartyr, Great input about the transfer.

bda55, I think that would be overkill on the 4AD. I used 4derm once before, and I felt like I was rubbing it all over large parts of my body when it was only 400mg. 800mg would mean you would be bathing in it. And 4derm smells like citrus, so if you have the Dermabolics you will be one fruity smellin mutha****a!

Deo, I will definitely be hittin' up the DHEA toward the end/into PCT. Maybe I'll start that when my 4AD runs out.

I can't wait

[bda55]

Ok guys thanks for the answers

Good luck with your cycle Beo

[Beowulf]

Days 1-60: 1,4 Andro 1.2G ED
Days 1-60: 400mg TD 4AD
Days 1-20: Superdrol (20mg ED)
Days 40-60: E...MAX LMG (20mg ED)
Days 50-80: Oratropin or Hexatropin (5on-2off)

Still subject to change, but this is the new test-intact plan. I'll probably also start taking ATD about 3 weeks before the end and continue through PCT. I'll probably also add nolva and Activate to the PCT.

I'm also going to experiment with using Rebound XT/Activate for 4-6 weeks leading up to the cycle. If the boys are at a "superphysiological" level before I even begin, hopefully that means shutdown will be minimal.