Bloodwork after 20+ weeks on. GOOD NEWS!

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    Bloodwork after 20+ weeks on. GOOD NEWS!


    Most know, but if you don't
    I ran:
    1-4 Dbol 40mg
    1-20+ Test 500mg increased to 750mg (week 14)
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    M1T for 10days @ 20mg (stopped - it was pointless)
    Last 3-4weeks Prop 150mg EOD

    I'm just over 4 weeks into PCT.
    1-3 Clomid 300(day 1), 150, 150, 100
    3-present Nolvadex 60,40,20
    1-present ATD 50,50,50,50,75,75
    2.5-present IGF-1 ~50mcg

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    Is that due to the ATD?
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    Is it possible that the ATD affected the Total T results? And how did you get the results back so quick? I need to find a new lab, mine can take a week to get a free and total T back.

    Grmlock beat me to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grmlock
    Is that due to the ATD?
    i think so.
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    lol, does that say 2700??!?!

    That's great news to hear. Especially after such a long cycle. Glad to hear things are going well.
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    CED, sorry to rain on your parade, but I doubt your test is 2708. We know that ATD cross reacts during testing
    and gives a fale estimate for T unless tested via celite column chromatography.

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    Steroids. 1980 Dec;36(6):717-21.

    Immunological interference of the synthetic aromatase inhibitor 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) and its metabolite(s) in the radioimmunoassay for testosterone.

    Donaldson MD, Forest MG.

    Radioimmunoassay (RIA) for testosterone (T) in unchromatographed plasma extracts from ATD-treated rats gave spuriously high values for T. Cross-reaction and chromatographic studies subsequently showed that ATD and, to a much greater extent, its metabolite(s) were responsible for this overestimation. Celite column chromatography proved to be an effective way of separating T from ATD and its product(s) of metabolism.

    PMID: 7210060
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    yup I figured as much... i'd be surprised if it wasn't over 1000 though. It certainly isn't low no matter what
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    yup I figured as much... i'd be surprised if it wasn't over 1000 though. It certainly isn't low no matter what

    Sorry to sound like the grumpy old hag, but how do we know? Who's to say to what degree ATD and its metabolites cross react and how much they effect the test. I don't believe anyone really knows. So, we are only left with anecdotal speculation (being that the qantatative results must be tossed out the window).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bow
    Sorry to sound like the grumpy old hag, but how do we know? Who's to say to what degree ATD and its metabolites cross react and how much they effect the test. I don't believe anyone really knows. So, we are only left with anecdotal speculation (being that the qantatative results must be tossed out the window).
    Totally agree with bow here. Deoudes, there is no way of telling what your true T levels are when on ATD. They screw up readings 110%. This is also the case for numerous people on this board and others. Again, not trying to nitpick, but this is just 100% truth.

    The only true way of knowing is to get off of ATD, get levels rechecked after 1-2 weeks ATD-free (since ATD has a relatively long-half-life) and go from there. Please post back when/if you get the new results.
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    Nice stats either way after 20 weeks

    what were your starting an ending stats after the cycle???
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    hi glen
    ummm .. hi deoudes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by desmo996
    And how did you get the results back so quick? I need to find a new lab, mine can take a week to get a free and total T back.
    It looks like http://healthtestsdirect.com/ he used. Those guy are fast, they draw blood in the morning and e-mail results next day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DmitryWI
    It looks like http://healthtestsdirect.com/ he used. Those guy are fast, they draw blood in the morning and e-mail results next day.
    correct, I have to give props to there customer service dept. - first people I've dealt with in a long time that gave a ****.
    they bumped me to the front of the line because I said I need the bloodtest immediately

    best prices I could get on what I had tested as well
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    Only reason I haven't blood work is it is pretty expensive, a few hundred to check the basics. I need to get some more cash so I can get mine checked later this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Only reason I haven't blood work is it is pretty expensive, a few hundred to check the basics. I need to get some more cash so I can get mine checked later this year.

    Its really not. $100 total includes a comprehensive metabolic panel for liver and kindney function (Albumin, alkaline phosphatase, ALT, AST, Bilirubin, calcium, carbon dioxide, chloride, creatinine, glucose, potassium, protein, sodium, urea nitrogen), a lipid profile and measurement of total testoserone. A hundered bucks is a small price to pay to ensure you are not heading for an early funeral
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
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    $100.00? dang sure glad i got kaiser. 10.00 co-pay baby.
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    I am impressed with your cholesterol, hdl and ldl levels after being on for so long and using orals. How clean did you eat when on anand did you take anything for cholesterol/hdl/ldl levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants
    $100.00? dang sure glad i got kaiser. 10.00 co-pay baby.
    what test(s) do you get done at Kaiser, pp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichidan
    I am impressed with your cholesterol, hdl and ldl levels after being on for so long and using orals. How clean did you eat when on anand did you take anything for cholesterol/hdl/ldl levels?
    check this thread out
    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=27946

    this time around I used:
    Red Yeast Rice 600mg-1200mg ED (I would go several days without taking it)
    COQ10 300mg (always)
    Niacin 250mg ED
    Odorless Garlic 800mg
    Safflower Oil & Olive Oil
    ... and of course, ATD + Clomid + Nolvadex (works wonders for the lipid profile). And so does a good diet very low in Saturated Fats.

    I haven't used orals in 12-14weeks, and probably won't ever again... well we'll see
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    who needs orals when then prop and suspension
  

  
 

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