finasteride/proscar vs nizoral shampoo?
Nizoral is just medicated shampoo that makes your scalp healthy, dont count on it to slow/stop hairloss like finastride does.
it depends on the reason for the hair loss. if it suddenly occured during a cycle then finast or even dutas would be better. the main ingredient in nizoral has mild anti-androgen properties but i don't feel are as effective as finast. nizoral allows for topical app, but you can actually do the same with finast/dutas(both absorb into the skin well).
if the hairloss is something not linked to a cycle, then it could be hormone driven or due to clogging or other issues with the hair follicle. in that case nizoral would be better at cleansing and finast not do alot of good
doesnt the use of finasteride interfere with strength gains though?Originally Posted by info_cker
I would think so but I'd rather have my hair. Finasteride blocks DHT so I'm sure how much on effect it would have on mass.Originally Posted by BOVEY
is it ok to buy finasteride on the net or are there many fakes aroundOriginally Posted by badbart
Research chemicalsOriginally Posted by BOVEY
ive just looked under the name finasteride & proscarOriginally Posted by badbart
does it sell under a different name?
universalkits has someOriginally Posted by BOVEY
Finasteride DOES interfere with strength gains. Dihydrotestosterone has many important functions and is not a hormone that you want to lower systemically. According to Dr John Crisler (Swale on meso-rx), finasteride has caused primary hypogonadism in many men. If you're thinking about using topical spironolactone as a means of blocking DHT at the hair follicles, forget it because despite what the manufacturer and some studies say, it is rapidly absorbed through the skin and will cause low testosterone levels very quickly.
Spironolactone has worked very well for me. I use 5% cream and just rub it on the affected areas once or twice a day (usually once at night). I think that this combination as well as dutasturide have helped me to quite noticably regrow much of my hair in the effected areas. Try it... it blocks DHT at the scalp very effectively... I can't remember the exact percent it blocks. The only problem is that it has a small half-life... something like 6-8 hours. But it's worth a shot... hell, it works for me...
If your taking anabolics then I'd take a 1/2 dose of finasteride. If your not on any anaboliccs then I'd opt for another method.
ok here is my 2 cents worth: while finas/dutas reduced dht via 5ar. dutas is better since it blocks both types of 5ar. i believe that @ .5 mg dutas achieves 96-97% reduction after 2wks of use. doubling the dose will bring it to 99%. the cost isn't worth the increase. since finas blocks one type of 5ar it usually acheives in the 70% range(not sure the exact percentage). they type of 5ar post common in skin isn't blocked by finas. it help hair loss by it's over all reduction in dht. while dht is more active than test reducing it may effect gains, but the reduction trigger an increase in test, which will help offset this. getting rid of all dht isn't harmful. there is a know syndrome inwhich males are born with no 5ar and therefore no dht. they have normal sexual and physical development, but have very little body hair and no hair loss.
there is not data to indicate that topical spiro becomes systemic. spiro metabolizes rapidly in the skin and by the time it gets through the skin to be systemically absorbed it losses it's antiandrogen effect. i read an article where for research a male had nearly his entire body covered with spiro sol. and there wasn't systemic effect.
if you are looking to buy finas online, try one of the sponsors for an oral. i buy my dutas in gel caps and have been happy with my source.
would you not advise buying liquid finasteride then?Originally Posted by info_cker
even though blocking dht will effect strength gains surely its better to keep your hair?
I may switch to Dutas at some point. I hear it kills libido worse than fin though.
liquid finas is fine. that will also be the easiest way to get it. most of the board sponsors sell research chems. dosage is usually between 1-5 mg. most chems are at 5mg/ml. when i used to buy finast as a chem i would dilute it to 2.5mg/ml. made it last longer and at that dose it is still effective. mostly the perscription for hairloss is on the lower end of the dosage scale anyway. i haven't heard anything about strength loss being bad enough to be an issue for most people
dutas is still better. i haven't had any problem with decreased libido. i was expecting it. i believe it only occurs in a small percentage of people. i actually kinda fell like it does the opposite. at least it seems that way with me
If I want to take 1mg per day what is the best way to measure??Originally Posted by info_cker
most oral chems are 5mg/ml. since you will only need 1/5 ml, you will definitely need a dropper that is marked by 5th ml to get an accurate. a syringe will work, but most oral syringes are to big for the bottle. i always diluted mine and put it into a bottle with a large enough mouth to get the syringe in. you could also take the pin off a smaller one that will fit in the bottle the chem comes in. the only other option is to locate 1mg tabs online.
I'm sick of reading posts about topical spiro and giving warnings to stay away from it. I can't speak about other topical spironolactone solutions, but in my experience, just 2 applications of Dr Lee's 2% spironlactone solution dropped both my free and total testosterone levels from the low range of normal for an adult male to the levels of a 9 year old pre-pubescent boy! Forget the studies. If you don't believe me, use Dr Lee's 2% topical spiro yourself and take a blood test before using it and after a few days - a week of application to see how your free and total testosterone levels change. Come back here and post your blood test results. I'd like as many people to try this as possible. There needs to be more tests done on this stuff. The reason why you aren't losing hair while using topical spiro is not because it is blocking DHT at the hair follicles, but because it is lowering your endogenous androgens. Do you want that to happen??
Wow good info., So your saying nothing helps without killing you natural test production? Would finasteride kill your natural test production?Originally Posted by FlyByU