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finasteride/proscar vs nizoral shampoo?
doesnt the use of finasteride interfere with strength gains though?it depends on the reason for the hair loss. if it suddenly occured during a cycle then finast or even dutas would be better. the main ingredient in nizoral has mild anti-androgen properties but i don't feel are as effective as finast. nizoral allows for topical app, but you can actually do the same with finast/dutas(both absorb into the skin well).
if the hairloss is something not linked to a cycle, then it could be hormone driven or due to clogging or other issues with the hair follicle. in that case nizoral would be better at cleansing and finast not do alot of good
I would think so but I'd rather have my hair. Finasteride blocks DHT so I'm sure how much on effect it would have on mass.doesnt the use of finasteride interfere with strength gains though?
is it ok to buy finasteride on the net or are there many fakes aroundI would think so but I'd rather have my hair. Finasteride blocks DHT so I'm sure how much on effect it would have on mass.
Research chemicalsis it ok to buy finasteride on the net or are there many fakes around
ive just looked under the name finasteride & proscarResearch chemicals
universalkits has someive just looked under the name finasteride & proscar
does it sell under a different name?
would you not advise buying liquid finasteride then?ok here is my 2 cents worth: while finas/dutas reduced dht via 5ar. dutas is better since it blocks both types of 5ar. i believe that @ .5 mg dutas achieves 96-97% reduction after 2wks of use. doubling the dose will bring it to 99%. the cost isn't worth the increase. since finas blocks one type of 5ar it usually acheives in the 70% range(not sure the exact percentage). they type of 5ar post common in skin isn't blocked by finas. it help hair loss by it's over all reduction in dht. while dht is more active than test reducing it may effect gains, but the reduction trigger an increase in test, which will help offset this. getting rid of all dht isn't harmful. there is a know syndrome inwhich males are born with no 5ar and therefore no dht. they have normal sexual and physical development, but have very little body hair and no hair loss.
there is not data to indicate that topical spiro becomes systemic. spiro metabolizes rapidly in the skin and by the time it gets through the skin to be systemically absorbed it losses it's antiandrogen effect. i read an article where for research a male had nearly his entire body covered with spiro sol. and there wasn't systemic effect.
if you are looking to buy finas online, try one of the sponsors for an oral. i buy my dutas in gel caps and have been happy with my source.
If I want to take 1mg per day what is the best way to measure??liquid finas is fine. that will also be the easiest way to get it. most of the board sponsors sell research chems. dosage is usually between 1-5 mg. most chems are at 5mg/ml. when i used to buy finast as a chem i would dilute it to 2.5mg/ml. made it last longer and at that dose it is still effective. mostly the perscription for hairloss is on the lower end of the dosage scale anyway. i haven't heard anything about strength loss being bad enough to be an issue for most people
dutas is still better. i haven't had any problem with decreased libido. i was expecting it. i believe it only occurs in a small percentage of people. i actually kinda fell like it does the opposite. at least it seems that way with me
Wow good info., So your saying nothing helps without killing you natural test production? Would finasteride kill your natural test production?I'm sick of reading posts about topical spiro and giving warnings to stay away from it. I can't speak about other topical spironolactone solutions, but in my experience, just 2 applications of Dr Lee's 2% spironlactone solution dropped both my free and total testosterone levels from the low range of normal for an adult male to the levels of a 9 year old pre-pubescent boy! Forget the studies. If you don't believe me, use Dr Lee's 2% topical spiro yourself and take a blood test before using it and after a few days - a week of application to see how your free and total testosterone levels change. Come back here and post your blood test results. I'd like as many people to try this as possible. There needs to be more tests done on this stuff. The reason why you aren't losing hair while using topical spiro is not because it is blocking DHT at the hair follicles, but because it is lowering your endogenous androgens. Do you want that to happen??
Ive used Dr.Lee's 2% Spiro solution in the past and have had zero side effects. I've really only used Spiro when on a cycle of 1test/4AD - but I used it straight through PCT with no problems.So if you didn't have any of the side effects, the chances are that it was not distributed systemically right? Did you use cream or solution? Maybe it becomes systemic when the carrier is a cream? But I read that a lot of people used the cream without any side effect either. Would be good to have more feedback of users.
No. Some users of Finasteride may experience negative sides, but many wont. I decided to start using it about 2 weeks ago @ 1mg/day, and my strength, libido, etc are all great.Wow good info., So your saying nothing helps without killing you natural test production? Would finasteride kill your natural test production?
I haven't. It would be too inconvenient for me. Easier to throw a pill in with my supps.Dangling Unit - have you tried adding minoxidil to your regimen?
thanks bigvrunga... read it already tho I understand the test converting to dht then carried to scalp via the 5AR but..., i was just wondering what would have triggered this massive hair loss out of no where. don't have a fam history with balding on top and thats where i'm losin it. could i just have this test spike out of no where? i guess i should go get my levels checked or something...Check out this thread, lots of good info...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolics/21961-hair-loss-prevention.html?highlight=hair+loss+prevention
I'd keep an eye on it, try not to tug on your hair too much but maybe take a picture and take another one with the same lighting a few weeks later and compare the two. If you are certain its not just a natural phase of hair shedding and you want to keep your hair, take action asap.don't have a fam history with balding on top and thats where i'm losin it
OMFG!Did anybody experienced loss of libido, stength, mass off cycle while using topical spiro?
Get proscar insted, it is the same stuff and you get a lot more for the same price.I've been using Propecia for about 3 years now. I have no sides. The temporal region is the same as I started it. No loss, no growth. The sides and back are thicker. I used to have an island in front with the mainland not too far away, but it's now a peninsula. I'm going to get the "research" finasteride and try it. Propecia is hella expensive.
What?OMFG!
You talk about spiro as if it were a drugWhat?
Are you aloud to post links to a site where you can obtain this stuff?It is and a powerful one at that! People sure have claimed loss of libido. It is also the only hairloss drug I have been able to rely on to stop the loss during a test/tren cycle.
Well yes Spiro is a drug. Spiro is a diuretic with anti androgen properties.You talk about spiro as if it were a drug
I'm willing to try this stuff, I've found one link for it but I will continue to search.Well yes Spiro is a drug. Spiro is a diuretic with anti androgen properties.
And it seems that some people have experienced loss of libido and decreased testosterone while on topical spiro.
Indeed, this makes perfect sense. Spiro is the only topical general androgen blocker that is relatively easy to obtain. Other drugs, like Finasteride, Dutasteride, - have only been found to block DHT via 5ar inhibition. This will work great for test, not with tren. Another compound, Fluridil, is supposed to be even better than Spiro but AFAIK it is quite expensive.It is and a powerful one at that! People sure have claimed loss of libido. It is also the only hairloss drug I have been able to rely on to stop the loss during a test/tren cycle.
I use topical 2% Spiro daily and I've suffered no ill effects whatsoever.I'm willing to try this stuff, I've found one link for it but I will continue to search.
Even off cycle?I use topical 2% Spiro daily and I've suffered no ill effects whatsoever.
BV
I havent yet. I really do need to though. My libido and gains in the gym are doing great though -I suspect my test levels are just fine.Even off cycle?
Did you do any blood test for Test while using topical siro off cycle?
here is a good article on spiro:I havent yet. I really do need to though. My libido and gains in the gym are doing great though -I suspect my test levels are just fine.
I use Spiro very sparingly - I get it from Dr.Lee's site, Minoxidil.com. It comes in with a dabber bottle and I only use a small amount on the parts of my scalp that need it. I'd say < 1mL/day.
BV
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