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**323mattb** · 09-21-2005, 02:14 PM

Anyone know about this stuff? One of the ones mentioned a couple of months ago by ALR and BK?

http://www.alrindustries.com/4_hydroxy_d.htm

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Interesting...

**200wannabe** · 09-21-2005, 02:30 PM

You gotta love ALRI write ups!

**JonesersRX7** · 09-21-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by 200wannabe

You gotta love ALRI write ups!

it does say comming soon....

**liftWV** · 09-21-2005, 02:37 PM

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one

That was one of the ones that was on the list from earlier, and is the only one that chemically matches up with the name.

**200wannabe** · 09-21-2005, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by JonesersRX7

it does say comming soon....

You misunderstand....

I mean the 'They said it couldnt be done, so we did it' type stuff...

Just love it... they should play the rocky theme or something!

**JonesersRX7** · 09-21-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by 200wannabe

You misunderstand....

I mean the 'They said it couldnt be done, so we did it' type stuff...

Just love it... they should play the rocky theme or something!

oh... I gotcha now...

but yeah... that is funny.

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by liftWV

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one

That was one of the ones that was on the list from earlier, and is the only one that chemically matches up with the name.

What was that compared too? Do you remember?

**Iron Warrior** · 09-21-2005, 03:46 PM

Is this by any chance one of trenbolone analogues that Author and BK were working on ?

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

Is this by any chance one of trenbolone analogues that Author and BK were working on ?

That would be sweet. I'd like to see some test results.

**wastedwhiteboy2** · 09-21-2005, 03:52 PM

I'd like to see nutra carry this so we can get the price down.

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 03:56 PM

I'm sure Sam will have it.

**Pioneer** · 09-21-2005, 04:06 PM

i would like to see ALRI answer all the questions going on around here.

**323mattb** · 09-21-2005, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pioneer

i would like to see ALRI answer all the questions going on around here.

Doubtful. I don't think he's posted since the Washington Post thing.

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 04:39 PM

Thats a good point, I wonder where we will be able to ask questions. Maybe emailing them will ahev to do.

**ersatz** · 09-21-2005, 04:46 PM

Well here's what kneller wrote come time ago that may give insight into the potential active of this product.

Originally Posted by kneller

Well, we're going to take this a step further. The hydroxyl at C4 makes otherwise aromatizable steroids unaromatizable (usually) and also gives the compound (usually) some inherent anti-aromatic qualities itself.

Author is having our 'friend in Chengdu' make small (a few grams) of the following goodies for us to play with -

,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)

17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one (I will call this a 'Hydrogen Bomb' instead of an "A-Bomb")

4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)

and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)

Now we are 'alpha testing' these goodies in August and no, we don't need volunteers to 'assist us' (sorry guys, you will need to wait until we either beta test or we just launch the products).

I do want to know, and Author surely does too, which of these would be your TOP TWO choices since we can't launch them all, I discussed this with Author and he's going to set up a poll here so you guys can help us decide, what gets made and what gets the proverbial boot. Your input is important.

Now these will not be inexpensive, figure on the best price to you guys for this stuff is going to end up at $50 a bottle for like a months supply but they are all NOT ILLEGAL at this point and would really kick ass as "proto-steroids" for as long as we can sell them for.

We're also working on a few THP and undecanoate ester products for those of you who are "uninclined to use C-17a alkylated products" like most of the ones I just wrote about.

I am pretty sure the 4-OH trenbolone analog will end up being made as a THP ether in a gel cap (with oleic acid) at 25mg per pop (you'd need 2-4 per day). But hey, it is essentially oral, legal Parabolan so I mean, how cool is that?

We're also likely to do a 4-OH DHT 17b-THP ether too in a gel cap as a "low buck" non-methyl.

**ersatz** · 09-21-2005, 04:48 PM

And here's PA's thoughts on those chems, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=36

*edit* I'll just c&p what PA replied

Originally Posted by PA

4,17b-diydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (did someone ask for 'trenbolone'?)

MAY BE QUITE EFFECTIVE. SOLUBILITY LIKELY VERY POOR THOUGH

17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-4,9-dien-3-one (this one should be VERY cool)

MAY BE EFFECTIVE, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE PREVIOUS

17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-4-hydroxy-5-androstan-3-one (I will call this a 'Hydrogen Bomb' instead of an "A-Bomb")

STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS.

4-hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (probably as a 17b ester - think "legal Primobolan")

STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS.

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one (the Anavar variant)

STEREOCHEMISTRY? THIS IS A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. I KNOW OF NO OTHER 5ALPHA REDUCED 4-HYDROXYLATED ANDROGENS. QUITE LIKELY IT WILL BE USELESS. 9 TIMES OUT OF 10, NOVEL CHEMICAL ALTERATIONS TO ANDROGENS RESULT IN GARBAGE

and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)

POSSIBLY MAY HAVE SOME ACTIVITY. AN UNKNOWN, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE 5-ALPHA REDUCED DERIVATIVES

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FIRST TWO HAVE PROMISE. HE SHOULD TELL THE CHEMIST TO NOT WASTE TIME ON THE REST. THEY ARE NOT WORTH PURSUING IMO

**Giantz11** · 09-21-2005, 05:10 PM

Wow PA gave it a "may be effective". I'm still gonna need some feedback before hoping on the bandwagon here.

**size** · 09-21-2005, 07:58 PM

Hopefully, we will start to see ALR, Raven, and the others coming back around to discuss the newer ALRI products.

**bigblank69** · 09-21-2005, 11:31 PM

I don't think you'll see them come back, not worth there time. Every post before said ALRI screwing everyone on E-Max (which they weren't) and going crazy on them, for no reason. I wouldn't come back if I was running the company

**stinkfist** · 09-22-2005, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by size

Hopefully, we will start to see ALR, Raven, and the others coming back around to discuss the newer ALRI products.

That would be good to see, I had great results with my Emax cycle and am looking forward to any future products by ALRI.

**aspire210** · 09-22-2005, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by bigblank69

I don't think you'll see them come back, not worth there time. Every post before said ALRI screwing everyone on E-Max (which they weren't) and going crazy on them, for no reason. I wouldn't come back if I was running the company

I love alri and their products but you have to admit doing a "last run" then selling the rights is still a pretty dirty tactic. Also, they lied about what was in dominator. Thats two strikes against them. They are a very innovative company, no doubt, but they are also somewhat shady in my opinion. But I guess thats the risk we take in this "grey area" that we all love to play in.

**Bobby Nevada** · 09-22-2005, 05:09 PM

So besides being a "very cool" product, what is this stuff, or rather what is it related to?

**Mr.50** · 09-22-2005, 05:38 PM

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**djsasiccio** · 09-22-2005, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada

So besides being a "very cool" product, what is this stuff, or rather what is it related to?

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...32&postcount=6

Originally Posted by Siznoyton

No, its supposed to be like D-Bol that won't aromatize or cause bloat.

**ss01** · 09-22-2005, 08:38 PM

mkay, how come that link won't open for little me?

**Pioneer** · 09-22-2005, 09:31 PM

all thats stated is "No, its supposed to be like D-Bol that won't aromatize or cause bloat."

**Knowbull** · 09-23-2005, 03:19 PM

I could be wrong but I remember thinking it would be similar to a nandrolone, low androgenic sides, but still good for bulking.

**Max32** · 09-23-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Knowbull

I could be wrong but I remember thinking it would be similar to a nandrolone, low androgenic sides, but still good for bulking.

With the 4-OH attachment, I doubt it would be good for bulking as it would have an affinity to display some anti-estrogenic effects as well. I am excited about this one also, and am also excited for PRIME after speeking with ALR.

**Siznoyton** · 09-23-2005, 06:15 PM

Didn't you guys read all of Kneller's post? There is only one candidate that matches the nomenclature:

and of course, what stack would be complete without dbol?

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androsta-1,4-dien-3-one (dbol, no bloat, non-aromatizing)

**Mass_69** · 09-23-2005, 06:38 PM

Looks more like a 4-OH Methyl-Dien

**Apowerz6** · 09-23-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Max32

With the 4-OH attachment, I doubt it would be good for bulking as it would have an affinity to display some anti-estrogenic effects as well. I am excited about this one also, and am also excited for PRIME after speeking with ALR.

Well are'nt you so lucky, all i know, with a clean diet, and ALRI supplements i have seen how it has helped you. keep doin the damn thang. I am looking forward to the Venom so i can shred and show this mass off from emax and prostan... Oh and I hope its not like a Methyl D cuz that **** did not work for me even with 10mgs !!! except it worked at giving me gyno

**colkurtz_spf** · 09-23-2005, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Apowerz6

Well are'nt you so lucky, all i know, with a clean diet, and ALRI supplements i have seen how it has helped you. keep doin the damn thang. I am looking forward to the Venom so i can shred and show this mass off from emax and prostan... Oh and I hope its not like a Methyl D cuz that **** did not work for me even with 10mgs !!! except it worked at giving me gyno

One of ALRI's reps confirmed to me that it will be like D-BOL.

**Siznoyton** · 09-23-2005, 08:14 PM

It's supposed to be like DBol.

MDien rocks at 20mg daily, BTW. I'd be very surprised if you disagreed after running 20mg. ED for a month.

**italionstallion** · 09-23-2005, 09:20 PM

max, can you share any info on PRIME?

**NJLovehandles** · 09-23-2005, 09:31 PM

I dont really post here often, but I am always here reading. Isnt the whole point of D-bol the bloat, I think that is where a lot of the strength comes from. Take away the bloat, and water weight and I dont think D-bol will give you much gains. Maybe it will have the same effect on free test, and nitrogen, but so does a lot of the legal hormones.

**BryanM** · 09-23-2005, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by NJLovehandles

I dont really post here often, but I am always here reading. Isnt the whole point of D-bol the bloat, I think that is where a lot of the strength comes from. Take away the bloat, and water weight and I dont think D-bol will give you much gains. Maybe it will have the same effect on free test, and nitrogen, but so does a lot of the legal hormones.

If it pans out I think the only difference to this and regular EQ is the higher anabolism due to the 17aa.

Which just means that it will need less mg doseage to see the same effects of EQ.

so in essence this is EQ in a pillform

**colkurtz_spf** · 09-23-2005, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Siznoyton

It's supposed to be like DBol.

MDien rocks at 20mg daily, BTW. I'd be very surprised if you disagreed after running 20mg. ED for a month.

I ran Mdien @ 24 mg/ed for 6 weeks with very little in the way of sides. It gave me nice lean gains - lots of definition.

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