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    Reference: Originated from by Phreezer

    Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle:

    Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend? in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on? that he will gain more than us.

    Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

    You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10? or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate..etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want?… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

    Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

    it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

    Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2? .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a powerlifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle..or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

    An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

    Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

    My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habbit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

    I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later..It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squating once every few months doesn't count)

    So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

    This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney fu*king Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

    It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t goint to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliche.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfuly to it’s new weight gain..

    I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else..(and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

    These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

    So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass..and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

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    i couldnt agree more beelz. there is this 19 year old kid at my gym who packed on about 25lbs in 8 months on sustanon and deca. i dont know the dosage as my source for this info was two of his friends who say he got vet roids from mexico. I saw him in there for about 6 months in total and then after his cycle was over....he disappeared. I saw him in there a few times post cycle but i guess he just couldnt take the post cycle crash. god knows if he even used pct.
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    Good post.. I believe It was posted here before...

    that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids
    I just recently, had a gal come in to train us on a new telephone system... When it came up that we have 2 different companies.. she says.. "you can have different greetings for different companies.".. then she turns to me.. "For instance, Hello you reached Poobah's Weight lifting and fitness center"...

    I turned completely red, and my boss and Amanda laughed thier arses off me... but yea, I actually am starting to look rather large, with clothes on... lol

    Thought I'd share....
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    I agree. I'm 42 and I'm on week 4 of Phera-Plex with more calories of what was already a clean diet and consistent training program and I've only gained about 4 pounds of muscle. I'm only 5'8 and 170 with a small frame, so I'm not a huge guy to begin with. But since I am more ripped and vascular, and stronger also, I'm happy with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picasso
    I agree. I'm 42 and I'm on week 4 of Phera-Plex with more calories of what was already a clean diet and consistent training program and I've only gained about 4 pounds of muscle. I'm only 5'8 and 170 with a small frame, so I'm not a huge guy to begin with. But since I am more ripped and vascular, and stronger also, I'm happy with that.
    oops wrong thread, this is anabolics. my bad.
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    I agree, Phreezers a good guy.

    Also in ref to what Poobah said, I REALLY have a pet peeve about these guys who try like crazy to look like they work out. What I mean is that they will wear the string tanks and it will say something like "HARDCORE" or something along those lines...will always flex, and in reality, they'll either be skinny-fat or just plain-out skinny. Then you got all these guys in there 20's and all I ever see them wear is wife-beaters....OMG, I hate wife-beaters...who doesn't wear a wife beater anymore?

    W/ myself, I'm the exact oppositte. I'll try to cover myself up for the most part with baggy shirts and the like...just so I can go throughout the day w/o people judging me and asking me advice all the time. Like you poobah, I get really embarrased when people compliment me. But still to no avail, people can still tell I work out and am very dedicated and are always trying to size me up no matter where I go..I'm so sick of it. It seems like more guys will stare at me vs. women...wtf??
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    well for one, you mr mojo you might want to read the board rules..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    well for one, you mr mojo you might want to read the board rules..
    Did I do something wrong matt?
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    nope not you lifted..
    just the kid that jumped in on the end of your thread
    you have a great thread going
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    LMAO this thread changed all of a sudden... Good post Beelz. O/T: What's a wife-beater?

    And... Lifted, there comes a point, there is no USE trying to hide it anymore... You just might have reached it unknowingly... Call it reverse anorexia.
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    Oh Beelz deserves the credit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    LMAO this thread changed all of a sudden... Good post Beelz. O/T: What's a wife-beater?

    And... Lifted, there comes a point, there is no USE trying to hide it anymore... You just might have reached it unknowingly... Call it reverse anorexia.
    haha, yeah, I'm cursed.

    A wife-beater is just a fruit of the loom A-shirt...you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    LMAO this thread changed all of a sudden... Good post Beelz. O/T: What's a wife-beater?

    And... Lifted, there comes a point, there is no USE trying to hide it anymore... You just might have reached it unknowingly... Call it reverse anorexia.
    wife beater is a white tanktop undershirt.
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    glad ya'll like it fellas. hopefully puts things in perspective for a lot of guys considering AAS usage.
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    I've seen this a bunch of places. Same deal, you should hit your genetic limit. Blah blah. Fact of the matter is, you should get your diet right - when you introduce AAS to a Virgin - they gain 20-30lbs regardless of how long they've trained natural..

    flame away.
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    I've read it before and liked it but i like it now more for refreshing it, its really worth bringing it to the top everywhile so more ppl can read it, Thank You Beelz (Bow in respect)

    hey CED, Chill out buddy, PCT will be over before you know it, i'm in my first week of PCT
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    Love this one

    He also forgot about the guys who gain 20lbs every cycle because they get fat....I can't stand it when I hear retards talking about gaining a SOLID 20-30lbs in a matter of weeks or even months...especially repeatedly.

    So often do I hear... " I just gained 3 lbs of LBM and lost 1.5% BF this week!" I just wanna puke. At that rate, we'd have guys who put RC to shame in a matter of months all over these boards.

    to recap:
    -No, you did not gain even 2 pounds of muscle this week, even on 3 grams of test.
    -No, you did not gain 20lbs of pure muscle on a 3 wk oral cycle.
    -No, you cannot use steroids unless you can wear a shirt big enough to cover your elbows and still have ppl see your muscles.
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    Yeah I love those guys also. I just wanna smack them in the head and say he dick you went from 15% to 20%bf there's nothing solid about that.

    Overall good post Beelz I agree 100%.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Love this one

    He also forgot about the guys who gain 20lbs every cycle because they get fat....I can't stand it when I hear retards talking about gaining a SOLID 20-30lbs in a matter of weeks or even months...especially repeatedly.

    So often do I hear... " I just gained 3 lbs of LBM and lost 1.5% BF this week!" I just wanna puke. At that rate, we'd have guys who put RC to shame in a matter of months all over these boards.

    to recap:
    -No, you did not gain even 2 pounds of muscle this week, even on 3 grams of test.
    -No, you did not gain 20lbs of pure muscle on a 3 wk oral cycle.
    -No, you cannot use steroids unless you can wear a shirt big enough to cover your elbows and still have ppl see your muscles.
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    Amen Preacher, sing on!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Love this one

    He also forgot about the guys who gain 20lbs every cycle because they get fat....I can't stand it when I hear retards talking about gaining a SOLID 20-30lbs in a matter of weeks or even months...especially repeatedly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    I've seen this a bunch of places. Same deal, you should hit your genetic limit. Blah blah. Fact of the matter is, you should get your diet right - when you introduce AAS to a Virgin - they gain 20-30lbs regardless of how long they've trained natural..

    flame away.
    sorry guys, lousy mood tonight.
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    Well, you forgot about our man Guido...according to him, if we take 17.5 grams of total gear/week, we can go from 230 to 350 in a matter of days.....oh, but if we have a tolerance, then we can only gain 12lbs....lmfao. Hey, can I drink this winny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    LMAO this thread changed all of a sudden... Good post Beelz. O/T: What's a wife-beater?

    And... Lifted, there comes a point, there is no USE trying to hide it anymore... You just might have reached it unknowingly... Call it reverse anorexia.
    i believe the offical term is "manorexia". also the skinny kids that sit around listening to emo music and watching laguna beach at night call us "meatheads".
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    lol..i'm a manorexic meathead

    I'm lovin' it....that's a shirt I'd wear..

    "Manorexic Meathead" <-- LOL
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    "manorexic meathead" wife beaters are on their way to the anaboic minds store
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    i'd pay for a AM wifebeater!

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    "manorexic meathead" wife beaters are on their way to the anaboic minds store
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    Haha!!!! Great thread. Thanks Beez.
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    This thread makes me laugh and reminds me of back when I was in high school and juice users would say stuff like, "Dude, you have to lift twice as hard for steroids to work."

    Sorry, but I disagree. I believe that the guilty conscience due to drug use leads some people to become elitists to assuage this guilt. Hence the "Yeah, I use drugs, but for all the right reasons" attitude. In my 20+ years of doing drugs and being around various users I have heard every single justification (in various forms) that Phreezer et al are arguing.

    Let me be the first to proclaim that I am chemically incorrect and that I come to this board and other boards to learn various (nutritional, chemical, and exersize related) shortcuts to my narcissistic goals. I for one am not interested in hearing the bodybuilding equivalent of how some old guys had to walk barefoot, up hill (both ways no less) in the snow to school. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it sounds lame.

    Let me also say that I appreciate Guido and other self-experimenters like him that push the limit and tell others about their results. This is what science is all about - learn, learn, pass...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada
    This thread makes me laugh and reminds me of back when I was in high school and juice users would say stuff like, "Dude, you have to lift twice as hard for steroids to work."

    Sorry, but I disagree. I believe that the guilty conscience due to drug use leads some people to become elitists to assuage this guilt. Hence the "Yeah, I use drugs, but for all the right reasons" attitude. In my 20+ years of doing drugs and being around various users I have heard every single justification (in various forms) that Phreezer et al are arguing.

    Let me be the first to proclaim that I am chemically incorrect and that I come to this board and other boards to learn various (nutritional, chemical, and exersize related) shortcuts to my narcissistic goals. I for one am not interested in hearing the bodybuilding equivalent of how some old guys had to walk barefoot, up hill (both ways no less) in the snow to school. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it sounds lame.

    Let me also say that I appreciate Guido and other self-experimenters like him that push the limit and tell others about their results. This is what science is all about - learn, learn, pass...
    Well, you're the lone ranger here. This is what this and most other boards are about...to research properly, learn and practice safety, and responsible use. Not to mention a thousand other things that come into play in regards to those mentioned.

    And using 4+ grams of aas/week is not what science is all about...that's just pure stupidity. And from that stems the dissaproval of AAS from our unintelligent US gov't. You really don't get it do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada

    Let me also say that I appreciate Guido and other self-experimenters like him that push the limit and tell others about their results. This is what science is all about - learn, learn, pass...
    Learn from stupidity? So that's what science is all about.... wow.. I've been wrong all this time. Wait.. maybe since I've been wrong all this time, I've been right... or I've been a scientist and not even known it!!!

    I agree with Lifted. That guy is at the early stages of learning and it showed in his posts. Granted he is studying, and quoting this and that, but I don't think he walked the walk if you know what I'm saying.
    Not wanting to get bloated and having 4gs running through your system by week 5 isn't really intelligent. And pushing the limit is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to your endocrine system. You don't learn from that. All you learn is not to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    Well, you're the lone ranger here. This is what this and most other boards are about...to research properly, learn and practice safety, and responsible use. Not to mention a thousand other things that come into play in regards to those mentioned.

    And using 4+ grams of aas/week is not what science is all about...that's just pure stupidity. And from that stems the dissaproval of AAS from our unintelligent US gov't. You really don't get it do you?
    You are right, I don't get your point. Are you saying that our grand standing illustrious pols would have a more favorable view of aas if adults like Guido were only taking .5gms of test vs. 4 gms of test/week?

    No amount of "responsible use", or writing about responsible use on message boards will change politicians' minds about drug use. This is a witch hunt no different than those of Salem, Mass. The "dissaproval" of aas by politicians stems from 400 years of Puritan culture and we will NEVER change this. We will ALWAYS be pariahs. Do you get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted

    And using 4+ grams of aas/week is not what science is all about...that's just pure stupidity.
    As far as using these amounts of aas, I'm quite sure that the bodybuilders of the 60's and 70's would be just as aghast at the amounts employed by today's bodybuilders. Do you actually claim to know that the upper limits of ergogenic use have been established? References?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada
    As far as using these amounts of aas, I'm quite sure that the bodybuilders of the 60's and 70's would be just as aghast at the amounts employed by today's bodybuilders. Do you actually claim to know that the upper limits of ergogenic use have been established? References?
    You're such a joke, and I don't know why I'm even bothering with proving you wrong still...but I have some free time soo..

    On the contrary, do you know? And what exactly does that have to do with being a responsible user of AAS? And how do you know what the old timers think of today's cycles? Exactly, you don't...you're just trying to throw in off-topic scenarios in order to try and bypass your original intent of your last post.

    What I do know is that people that obviously have ZERO knowledge of the endocrine system and how different AAS effects it are pushing the envelope when it comes to safety. All higher doses of AAS can and will cause serious health consequences...did I REALLY just have to say that?

    My god, yeah, why don't we all just inject 4 grams of test, 2g of deca, stack orals and call it a day? Yeah real smart eintstein...and you think that there are no short or long term health hazards in doing so? You're a complete moron...and even if it didn't cause any health conerns, that's just total abuse....why play russian roullete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada
    You are right, I don't get your point. Are you saying that our grand standing illustrious pols would have a more favorable view of aas if adults like Guido were only taking .5gms of test vs. 4 gms of test/week?
    Actually yes...AAS ABUSE is what gets the gov't riled up...if it were that they actually knew about AAS and these side-effect horror stories weren't brought to their attention from pure idiotic and uneducated abuse, then I'm sure there would be at the least a somewhat different and less-negative view on them as a whole. But then you got morons like yourself who just contributes to the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada
    You are right, I don't get your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Nevada
    As far as using these amounts of aas, I'm quite sure that the bodybuilders of the 60's and 70's would be just as aghast at the amounts employed by today's bodybuilders.
    And who ever said that the amounts used by todays BB'ers is acceptable? I sure as hell didn't...you got guys dropping dead all over the damn place. Let's be real here, AAS abuse can and for the most part will cause serious adverse effects...if you don't think so, then I gotta bridge to sell ya...
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    that is true, somehow it's gotten to the point that 'use vs. abuse' doesn't apply to AAS.

    any 'use' of steroids is considered abuse.

    (popular media/government)

    I mean just say it "steroids" and your average person thinks upperward of cocaine or morphine abuse. <--- well thats my opinion.
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    everyone settle down...
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    Hehe...hehe... tehehe...


    Again, I'm with lifted. IMO, he won this round of the debate.

    And CEDeoudes is right.. let's just settle down, let Bobby kick some knowledge without any name calling or personal attacks. I notice this board is refreshingly free of them most of the time.

    On another note.. Bobby, are you Guido's Dad? You seem mightily proud of him. No malice intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifted
    Well, you're the lone ranger here. This is what this and most other boards are about...to research properly, learn and practice safety, and responsible use. Not to mention a thousand other things that come into play in regards to those mentioned.

    And using 4+ grams of aas/week is not what science is all about...that's just pure stupidity. And from that stems the dissaproval of AAS from our unintelligent US gov't. You really don't get it do you?
    i agree with you, but I'll also mention that AM is getting a 'ultra-conservative' label in the AAS internet community (and that's not because we get bloodwork). Some guys just feel it's so conservative over here. But better safe than sorry, especially for newbies.
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    Well call me a chicken **** but I would rather be ultra conservative than have a ****ed endrocrine system
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