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    PHERA PLEX SUPERDROL CYCLE QUESTION


    I was seriously thinking about a doing a phera-plex/superdrol cycle the one that is mentioned in the phera-plex write up on anabolic xtremes site.My question is would it worth while to use a wieght loss product such as melting point or trimax or would I be better off holding off till PCT.Thanx

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    I dunno if that would be too good for your liver
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    Phera-Plex is so new, it's somewhat of an unknown factor right now. I don't know if anyone can give you much more than speculation on your proposed stack.
    With that said, if you HAVE to run trimax, definitely do it with the cycle. Running it during pct may be disastrous. Slim chance you could hold on to any gains if you run trimax during pct.

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    Given the effects of Ergo, I would speculate that this will be even better. Time will tell.

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    I'd run the EMax solo 3 wks, skip a week in between, and then finish off with the SD 3 more wks. If you run them together, don't exceed 30mg total and be aware for the development for signs of toxicity (headaches, nausea, skin or urine color changes, internal pain, etc.) Also, keep it short, like not more than a month.
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    DR.D was just wondering if any of your beta testers got back pumps from phera-plex?
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    I'd run SD for 3 weeks, then end with 3 weeks of Phrea if it were me, not as they suggest at AX. I like to end with the androgenic stuff, personally. Or 3 weeks of SD and 3 of ergo-which I have done quite successfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    DR.D was just wondering if any of your beta testers got back pumps from phera-plex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by milwood
    I'd run SD for 3 weeks, then end with 3 weeks of Phrea if it were me, not as they suggest at AX. I like to end with the androgenic stuff, personally. Or 3 weeks of SD and 3 of ergo-which I have done quite successfully.
    .Was wondering why you would run the androgenic at the end of the cycle ,and did you develop any back pumps from the ergo like others I have talk to on the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELTORONEGRO
    I was seriously thinking about a doing a phera-plex/superdrol cycle the one that is mentioned in the phera-plex write up on anabolic xtremes site.My question is would it worth while to use a wieght loss product such as melting point or trimax or would I be better off holding off till PCT.Thanx
    I would run Melting Point the whole time, I remember reading about the health benefits and I think it actually helps to detoxify the liverand control cholesterol.

    http://www.designersupps.com/product...ltingpoint.pdf

    I think Melting Point or Seasthin would be a double edged sword, keeping fat off and cleansing the body.
    i would stay away from Trimax unless you are running a strict cutter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    .Was wondering why you would run the androgenic at the end of the cycle ,and did you develop any back pumps from the ergo like others I have talk to on the forum?
    I like to blow up first (anabolic stuff; test, SD, 4AD, whatever) then harden it up/dry it out at the end. Some people don't think it's good, and prefer strict bulkers or cutters, which I like too. But some cycles, if I'm gonna mix it up, I'll gain heavily at the outset, then kinda end it with some androgenic stuff to cap it off. Works well for me.
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    What gains did the beta testers have?is their any info on those tests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
    What gains did the beta testers have?is their any info on those tests?
    I am unaware of anyone elses results other than my own. I experienced clean, dry gains using 20mg/d for 4 wks only. I posted on this almost a year ago, when I tested it, but feel free to ask me specifics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    I am unaware of anyone elses results other than my own. I experienced clean, dry gains using 20mg/d for 4 wks only. I posted on this almost a year ago, when I tested it, but feel free to ask me specifics.
    Are you talking about SD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Are you talking about SD?
    No, PP. I actually did a little right up on my SD alpha testing, but can't remember if I did one for PP. If not, I'll answer specifics right here.
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    Phera-Plex is out?
    I finally found it what you were talking about.

    This makes 2 compounds that DS and ALRI developed in secret which turned out to be very similar or the same.
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    OT- Hey DR.D I sent you an email at hushmail, just let you know bro! Sorry, its kinda lengthy.
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    This sounds like something similar that I plan on doing starting in sept. I want to do 4 weeks of superdrol at 20 mgs starting sept, then do a 4 week pct, then 4 weeks of the original ergomax lmg then pct again. What do you guys think of this? I am currently planning everything out now. Pct will consist of rebound, activate, lean extreme, fenugreek, zma, and dhea. Some supps i will be taking will be creatine ( pct?) something for liver, something for lipids, something for blood pressure, cissus rx ( during cycle for joints/tendons or maybe for pct) and of course taurine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    I am unaware of anyone elses results other than my own. I experienced clean, dry gains using 20mg/d for 4 wks only. I posted on this almost a year ago, when I tested it, but feel free to ask me specifics.
    Have you done any ergomax cycles? How do you compare them? What weight gains did you have on pp? Strenght gains? bf loss?I am doing a ergomax cycle right now and i am trying to find out if there is a big difference,if pp is stronger with more gains in weight and strenght i will use it next time.I would like all the info you could give me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
    OT- Hey DR.D I sent you an email at hushmail, just let you know bro! Sorry, its kinda lengthy.
    u got mail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-male
    This sounds like something similar that I plan on doing starting in sept. I want to do 4 weeks of superdrol at 20 mgs starting sept, then do a 4 week pct, then 4 weeks of the original ergomax lmg then pct again. What do you guys think of this? I am currently planning everything out now. Pct will consist of rebound, activate, lean extreme, fenugreek, zma, and dhea. Some supps i will be taking will be creatine ( pct?) something for liver, something for lipids, something for blood pressure, cissus rx ( during cycle for joints/tendons or maybe for pct) and of course taurine.
    It looks like a sound plan to me. Creatine during PCT after an oral cycle for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
    Have you done any ergomax cycles? How do you compare them? What weight gains did you have on pp? Strenght gains? bf loss?I am doing a ergomax cycle right now and i am trying to find out if there is a big difference,if pp is stronger with more gains in weight and strenght i will use it next time.I would like all the info you could give me..
    No! But ALR did send me a bottle to try. I will offer an objective comparison once I have tried both. I experienced very similar gains with PP as with SD. About 5 lean lbs/month. Of course, it would likely be higher with less experienced users. A first time user may expect a 10lb solid gain/month. I am talking to several people who have tried one or the other, so I will report comparative results once I have them. The biggest short coming of PP is the androgenic sides. The response curve is very steep and the difference between 15 and 20mg is dramatic. 25mg is just too androgenic for me, but not uniformly so. Skin probs were the biggest manifestation of androgenicity, mood and prostate issues did not correlate to a potent androgen.
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    Dr.D,
    - If 25mg is the upper threshold (for someone as experienced as yourself) then would it limit its overall effectiveness as a bulker? How do the gains compare to the androgenic sides? (eg. m-1-t is very androgenic but the gains are pretty darn good so it can be a bulker)
    - How did the hair fare in comparison to SD in terms of fallouts,itchyness,etc?
    - Any idea on how good it is at nutrient partioning/fat loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    No! But ALR did send me a bottle to try. I will offer an objective comparison once I have tried both. I experienced very similar gains with PP as with SD. About 5 lean lbs/month. Of course, it would likely be higher with less experienced users. A first time user may expect a 10lb solid gain/month. I am talking to several people who have tried one or the other, so I will report comparative results once I have them. The biggest short coming of PP is the androgenic sides. The response curve is very steep and the difference between 15 and 20mg is dramatic. 25mg is just too androgenic for me, but not uniformly so. Skin probs were the biggest manifestation of androgenicity, mood and prostate issues did not correlate to a potent androgen.
    Any pre-ban PH that you would could compare the PP anodrogenic sides to? I'll be doing a cycle soon and it'd be nice to get a heads up. Look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    Dr.D,
    - If 25mg is the upper threshold (for someone as experienced as yourself) then would it limit its overall effectiveness as a bulker? How do the gains compare to the androgenic sides? (eg. m-1-t is very androgenic but the gains are pretty darn good so it can be a bulker)
    - How did the hair fare in comparison to SD in terms of fallouts,itchyness,etc?
    - Any idea on how good it is at nutrient partioning/fat loss.
    25mg is the androgenic threshold. If 40 or 50mg could be utilized, the anabolism would be very dramatic I imagine. So yes, I do feel it is limited at 20-25mg. However, I am often alone on this opinion, so I can see the majority of guys doing the higher doses anyway with little or no major issues. Lean gains are ~50% that of M1T but androgenic effects are closer to 75%. I had no hair loss or itching problems, though it is tough on the sebaceous output. Nutrient partitioning and fat loss are better than average but not extreme at 20mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jverch
    Any pre-ban PH that you would could compare the PP anodrogenic sides to? I'll be doing a cycle soon and it'd be nice to get a heads up. Look forward to it.
    No, it's in a class of it's own. Acne can be extreme, but that's about it. It has a unique volumous character. No other major sides are apparent, so it's androgenic activity is high but selective and very dose dependent. I would compare the skin activity most closely to that of Deca.
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    Dr. D,
    Did any of the testers do the recommended stack of superdrol and PP? Im seriously thinking about giving it a try with a lot of liver and cholesterol supps. How does 20mg of PP for 3 weeks and 20mg of SD for 3 weeks sound? Is that just too hard on the liver to realistically do?
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    I will be on e..max/ prostanozol cycle 4 weeks tomarrow, and I have bumped them both up to 30mg and 100mgs over the last week. However I have replaced the emax with PheraPlex over the last three days, also at 30mgs. I'm going to go ahead and push it to 5 weeks on this cycle. I have had no sides at all except a slight headache here and there. I have been on the recommended BP and liver support herbs through out the cycle. I have had no testicular shrinkage, or even so much as a pimple, and my gains have been very solid.I bumped them up because I feel that I have plateaued on my strength gains. Does Dr D or anyone else think that this plan is solid, or am I pushing my luck. I'm 34 and I weigh 234. I have run alot of Ph/prosteriod cycle's, and I have never had many side effects to speak of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    I'd run the EMax solo 3 wks, skip a week in between, and then finish off with the SD 3 more wks. If you run them together, don't exceed 30mg total and be aware for the development for signs of toxicity (headaches, nausea, skin or urine color changes, internal pain, etc.) Also, keep it short, like not more than a month.
    I just ran SD alone at 10/20/20. Could you give me your recommended Emax dose for this stack? I'm guessing you are running liver support etc. while on this? Anything special for the week in between? Thanks Doc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78
    I just ran SD alone at 10/20/20. Could you give me your recommended Emax dose for this stack? I'm guessing you are running liver support etc. while on this? Anything special for the week in between? Thanks Doc
    .Are you GOING TO BE RUNNING THE EMAX AND SD BACK TO BACK OR TOGETHER?
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    Wink HELLO AFOX


    Quote Originally Posted by AFOX
    I will be on e..max/ prostanozol cycle 4 weeks tomarrow, and I have bumped them both up to 30mg and 100mgs over the last week. However I have replaced the emax with PheraPlex over the last three days, also at 30mgs. I'm going to go ahead and push it to 5 weeks on this cycle. I have had no sides at all except a slight headache here and there. I have been on the recommended BP and liver support herbs through out the cycle. I have had no testicular shrinkage, or even so much as a pimple, and my gains have been very solid.I bumped them up because I feel that I have plateaued on my strength gains. Does Dr D or anyone else think that this plan is solid, or am I pushing my luck. I'm 34 and I weigh 234. I have run alot of Ph/prosteriod cycle's, and I have never had many side effects to speak of.
    keep me posted on your results I'm very interested in this stack and the sides from pheraplex at your current doseage or higher ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFOX
    I will be on e..max/ prostanozol cycle 4 weeks tomarrow, and I have bumped them both up to 30mg and 100mgs over the last week. However I have replaced the emax with PheraPlex over the last three days, also at 30mgs. I'm going to go ahead and push it to 5 weeks on this cycle. I have had no sides at all except a slight headache here and there. I have been on the recommended BP and liver support herbs through out the cycle. I have had no testicular shrinkage, or even so much as a pimple, and my gains have been very solid.I bumped them up because I feel that I have plateaued on my strength gains. Does Dr D or anyone else think that this plan is solid, or am I pushing my luck. I'm 34 and I weigh 234. I have run alot of Ph/prosteriod cycle's, and I have never had many side effects to speak of.
    keep me posted on your results of this stack I'm very interested in the pheraplex and the sides at your current doseage or higher?
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    I will keep you posted Wheels. I'm going to lift chest today and I hope to have a good increase in strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels
    .Are you GOING TO BE RUNNING THE EMAX AND SD BACK TO BACK OR TOGETHER?
    I'm looking at running them back to back.
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    Cool hello mach.78


    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78
    I'm looking at running them back to back.
    I would run both emax and sd at 20mgs and maybe consider running prostanozol at 75mgs/d with the emax.

    wk1-emax 20mgs

    wk2 and wk3-emax 20mgs,prostanozol 75mgs

    wk4-prostanozol 75mgs

    wk5- sd 20mgs,prostanozol 75mgs

    wk6 and wk7-sd 20mgs.

    sides will determine long or short your cycle last,so you may have to make ajustments and drink lots and lots of water
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    I'd go:
    1) SD 20mg
    2) SD 20mg
    3) SD 20mg
    4) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    5) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    6) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by milwood
    I'd go:
    1) SD 20mg
    2) SD 20mg
    3) SD 20mg
    4) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    5) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    6) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    I like the looks of this except I would consider starting the prostanazol in week 6 and running it for 3 weeks, extending it for 2 weeks after the ergo to consolidate gains and tighten up a bit while still ON. Just my opinion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant.
    Dr. D,
    Did any of the testers do the recommended stack of superdrol and PP? Im seriously thinking about giving it a try with a lot of liver and cholesterol supps. How does 20mg of PP for 3 weeks and 20mg of SD for 3 weeks sound? Is that just too hard on the liver to realistically do?
    Testers are up to AX to coordinate. I have no influence on that at all. To be honest, I am not aware of any other testers other than myself so far. So no PP/SD stacks that I know of.

    Your plan sounds just fine. I run orals for months too. Just try and avoid stacking them. Somthing like Mil suggested is OK.
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    Thumbs up HELLO Milwood


    Quote Originally Posted by milwood
    I'd go:
    1) SD 20mg
    2) SD 20mg
    3) SD 20mg
    4) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    5) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    6) Ergo 20mg, Prostan 75mg
    Whats up milwood-I like running the sd in the second part of the cycle to clean up the bloat that I get from ergo,by drying me out I become pretty vascular going into pct,but this is the look I'm looking for.
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    Changed My Mind


    I now plan on running a cycle of Prostanazol/Superdrol
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