Opinions on cycle
- 07-08-2005, 04:07 PM
- 07-08-2005, 04:19 PM
- 07-08-2005, 04:21 PM
Other info that you might need. I'm doing a show on the 27th of August so the proposed cycle would end on the day of the show and PCT would begin the day after. I've used Max once before, for 6 weeks a while back when I was bulking, got pretty good gains. My diet is surely in check, I'm carb cycling, perfectly clean with my schedule being Low/None/High/Low/Low/None/High. I do a pretty typical 4 day split for weights, 3, 40 min session of cardio a week and 2, 20-30 min sessions of sprint per week (10x100s one day and 5x200's the other). Other supplements I'm using are.
-Bulk CEE, 5gs a day
-Xtend (4 servings a day)
Any advice would be appreciated about the cycle.
07-09-2005, 03:01 PM
07-09-2005, 03:03 PM
Your cycle looks good.
I would stop the creatine the last 4 weeks. Creatine may prevent fat loss and also could cause some water weight (CEE shouldnt but thats subjective).
07-10-2005, 12:46 PM
Thanks guys, I think my final cycle will be:
Weeks 1-6 - Max LMG @ 100mg
Weeks 2-8 - Prostanozol @ 75mg
PCT - Nolva 40/40/20/20, Rebound 75/75/50/50 and Activate 1200/1200/1200/1200
07-10-2005, 01:08 PM
Cycle looks good
I think your PCT is overkill though. The Nolva and Activate will do the job just fine in my opinion. I would save the rebound.
07-10-2005, 01:25 PM
would replacing the MAX LMG w/ the Ergo be a decent stack? I got a bottle of that when it first went back on the pre-sale & want to put on some lean mass. Right now, I'm 5'7" about 170. My plan for PCT was going to be the Rebound & LXT w/ Nolva.
1. is the MAX/Prostanzol combo a good lean mass builder?
2. is the PCT of RXT, LXT & Nolva good enough or overkill?
sorry if this is considered a hi-jack..
07-10-2005, 08:55 PM
The rebound can be taken away, I got one of the bad bottles and sent it in so I believe I should be getting one or two bottles back, I just have nothing else to do with it. The nolva I already have and the activate should be here sometime soon.
07-11-2005, 08:22 AM
07-11-2005, 10:12 AM
hate to ruin your speculation, but creatine promotes fat loss (it increases calorie expidenture by an average of 100 calories)Originally Posted by Syr
it does cause water retention though, so drop it a week before the show, and then start the carb deplete/load cycle
07-11-2005, 10:34 AM
I don't know why you guys are using activate for PCT. There has to be actual natty test present in order for it to be unbound by the activate. When coming off, you don't even have hardly any test to free up....make sense? I would use it after your PCT is done and when you have the actual test to free up...jmo.
07-11-2005, 10:35 AM
J Appl Physiol 2002 Aug 16; [epub ahead of print]Originally Posted by bigman420
Creatine supplementation influences substrate utilization at rest.
Huso ME, Hampl JS, Johnston CS, Swan PD.
Department of Nutrition, Arizona State University, Mesa, AZ, USA.
The influence of creatine supplementation on substrate utilization during rest was investigated using a double-blind crossover design. Ten active men participated in 12 weeks of weight training and were given creatine and placebo (20 g/d for 4 d, then 2 g/d for 17 d) in two trials separated by a 4-week washout. Body composition, substrate utilization, and strength were assessed following week 2, 5, 9 and 12. Maximal isometric contraction (1-RM) leg press increased significantly (P < 0.05) following both treatments but 1-RM bench press was increased (33 kg +/- 8, P < 0.05) only following creatine. Total body mass increased (1.6 kg +/- 0.5, P < 0.05) after creatine but not after placebo. Significant (P < 0.05) increases in fat-free mass were found following both creatine (1.9 kg +/- 0.8) and placebo (2.2 kg +/- 0.7) supplementation. Fat mass did not change significantly with creatine, but decreased after the placebo trial (-2.4 kg +/- 0.8, P < 0.05). Carbohydrate oxidation was increased by creatine (8.9% +/- 4.0, P < 0.05), while there was a trend for increased RER after creatine supplementation (0.03 +/- 0.01, P = 0.07). Changes in substrate oxidation may influence the inhibition of fat mass loss associated with creatine following weight training.
07-11-2005, 12:08 PM
Hey Lifted, do you think it's a good idea to run Activate right after that kind of cycle and pct or should I wait like 6-8 weeks and use it?Originally Posted by lifted
07-11-2005, 01:04 PM
Well, from all that I've read about it, it seems like it would be best used when your test levels are back to normal in order to take advantage of freeing up more bound test.Originally Posted by Down_N_Dirty
SO IMO, you should use it when your T levels are the highest....as in, however long it takes you to get back to normal....so the longer the wait after PCT, the better. You could def have a nice rise still in free T directly after PCT, but w/o bloodwork showing you that you're back to normal, it's kinda hard to say when that will occur as everyone's different.
Also, activate frees up bound test. And in turn, the aromatization will actually lower total T levels...how much, I dunno. But that is something that you don't want when you're trying to recover..know what I mean?
All points here should be considered when trying to maximize your protocol.
In another 2-3 months or so, I will be running activate for 3 months at least....in order to see how it does for me...but I have no doubt it will work since everyhting about it sounds seemingly good....plus DS rocks...lol.
Hope that helped...kinda hard to explain things sometimes to other people.
07-11-2005, 01:25 PM
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