Trestolone, MENT, Any info out there on it?
- 07-28-2005, 09:32 PM
- 07-28-2005, 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Brennon
07-28-2005, 09:39 PM
It's cool and understandable. I just don't know anyone that carries this as it's fairly new on the market from what I understand.
07-28-2005, 10:06 PM
I would definitely suggest using the letro or even some ATD product while on cycle to prevent estrogoen as this compound will aromatize.Originally Posted by sergeant
As far as the superdrol to finish up...you might want to give pheraflex a shot as its androgenic properties appear to be very high. Give you a good hardening effect after a potentially bloating cycle. Just a suggestion...
07-28-2005, 10:07 PM
07-29-2005, 06:21 AM
Pleas forgive mi ignorance, what is the acronym ATD. How much Letro would you suggest? Each Day or Every Other Day? THought that this compound was highly androgenic from what I have read, follow up with another androgen? Was thinking that the SD would really help get rid of the bloat. Maybe some MAX LMG instead, suppose to be dry and androgenic.
I also forgot to mention that this would be an oral solution, pinning is an impossibility for me.
Originally Posted by quigs
07-30-2005, 06:44 PM
ATD is the compound that DS rebound xt contains (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione orOriginally Posted by sergeant
3,17-keto-etiochol-triene) it is an aromatase inhibitor. Giant nutrition also makes an ATD product for around $20. Most feedback from this product has been very good.
ATD alone...at a decent dose may be all you need to combat the estogen increase from this product.
As far as Letro, I'm not familiar enough with that compound to feel that I am comfortable/qualified to give you an estimated dosage. I will bump however in hopes that someone can help you out...
07-31-2005, 03:16 AM
0.1mg/d letro for any 'normal' cycleOriginally Posted by sergeant
0.2mg/d on a heavy cycle (over 600mg test/wk)
0.3-0.4mg/d max, no matter what kind of cycle
I rarely exceed 0.1mg/d. Very potent.
07-31-2005, 07:32 AM
What about 0.25 EOD? I believe the half life is more than 1 day.Originally Posted by DR.D
BTW what do u think of the supposed anti-progesterone activity of letro?
07-31-2005, 11:03 AM
That's a good plan too. It's got a ~2day t1/2 so that's equal to about 1.25mg/d. Letro has no direct anti-prog activity that I am aware of. It doesn't effect corticoid biosynthsis either. Indirectly, I can see how it may contribute.Originally Posted by Syr
07-31-2005, 12:00 PM
Dr. D what do you think about using a Steroidal AI like ATD on cycle for estrogen control instead of using Letro/Armidex. The concern here is for cholesterol levels. Would using a steroidal AI be good with a simple 500mg Test/week cycle?
07-31-2005, 12:32 PM
I like them better. 50mg ATD, 250mg Teslac (oral) or 25mg Examestane work very well and give a buffered/protracted effect. They are more expensive though, so I utilize letro at low doses usually. You may want to consider low dose clomid (~25mg/d) if cholesterol ratios/levels are a concern, but I like to save it for PCT mostly due to it's toxicity, especially stacked with orals. I am not as fond of A-dex and nolva, but they can be used with similar protocols.Originally Posted by brogers
07-31-2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks for all of the input, you replied to a reply that quoted .25, shoud have meant 2.5 ml eod if the half life is a day. That would equal 1.25 if my math is right?Originally Posted by DR.D
07-31-2005, 08:23 PM
Sorry, I meant 0.125mg/day! That's a pretty big difference (thanks for the correction)Originally Posted by sergeant
07-31-2005, 10:49 PM
I was looking at one of the board sponsors and they have it as 2.5 mg per ml. So that would be .1 ml every other day to get .125 every da based upon the half life. That seems like a pretty small amount. A bottle would last forever. Am I missing something?Originally Posted by DR.D
08-01-2005, 12:11 AM
Nope, your not missing anything. You have it exactly right. A bottle does last forever (~1-2 years for me) so it's extremely economical. I buy separate dropper bottles and dilute the 2.5mg/ml stock for easier use. For example, 60mls of 0.1mg/ml would require a total of 2.4ml of the stock. This can be measured with a plastic 3cc syringe with good enough accuracy. Then dilute it up to 60ml with oil, water, or 50% ethanol with a little PS80 in it. It depends on your source, they all seem to use different cutting liquids. A suspension is fine, as a solution may require nasty diluent like absolute ethanol or PEG. One of the risks of dosing it sloppy style (over .3mg/d) is rebound or burn out. If your lucky, it just stops working after about 2 months. If your not, it actually works inversely based on the rebound, so more is not better. If you wanna play it safe, you can't go wrong with 0.2mg/d.Originally Posted by sergeant
08-01-2005, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. i did a search and found a lot of people taking much higher dosage like 1.25 ed. So you would say that would be overkill.
I am really rethinking trying this stuff. There is another thread that is saying that the new compound is way toxic. Check it out and tell us what you think.
Originally Posted by DR.D
08-01-2005, 06:13 PM
Im not seeing the thread that mentions this is toxic. Could you post a link? I do see another thread talking about a related toxic compound but its not MENT.Originally Posted by sergeant
I found this study on MENT. It seems somewhat informative, especially for someone who wants to try it. Most of the good info on MENT is in the last 30 pages starting around page 50.
I really really wanna try this stuff so i have been looking for as much info as possible. I would be taking it orally in an oil solution. Think i might go with 10mg 3x/day or perhaps 20mg divided into 3 daily doses, not sure yet. What would a good guess be on the oral bioavailability?
08-01-2005, 08:45 PM
Nice link!Originally Posted by natiels
The oral potency of MENT is about 3x as androgenic and about 6x as anabolic as MT. That means it's roughly as strong as SD, so 30mg sounds about right orally. However, this stuff is very androgenic, even more so than M1T!
08-01-2005, 10:50 PM
08-01-2005, 11:03 PM
That is a diff compound. From my reading and from the study i posted MENT isnt very toxic.Originally Posted by sergeant
08-02-2005, 02:31 AM
08-02-2005, 10:59 AM
PLEASE, forgive me for being such a dumbass. Man I am banishing myself from the board for at least a week. I apologize, I am really not that stupid. Earlier in this thread there was some talk about toxicity, Big Cat's article mentioned toxicity and the T portion of the two compunds caught my eye and I did not read it very well. At least, after pointing that out to me, I am back to trying it. Again, sorry for the confusion, thanks for no hard flames.Originally Posted by Boss_K
08-02-2005, 11:25 AM
08-02-2005, 11:41 AM
Funny I was just reading that thread too, thats why I was so speedy with the reply button..!
Originally Posted by sergeant
08-02-2005, 01:01 PM
If I had not self imposed banishment for a week, I would reply back and say thanks for the understanding.
08-03-2005, 02:49 PM
08-03-2005, 03:42 PM
08-03-2005, 04:09 PM
Now is that a very nice way to treat another Maineiac? I will be sure to have all the ancillaries to prevent that. Hopefully I will be saying goodbye to old muscles and hello to larger and stronger muscles.Originally Posted by T-Bone
08-03-2005, 08:39 PM
Testosterone enanthate has been used as a contraceptive too. MENT is supposed to be 12 times more suppressive then test and 10 times more anabolic. People routinely take 500-750mg of test/week on cycles (injected at near 100% BA). I am planning on taking 105-175mg a week (orally..maybe 35% BA?).Originally Posted by T-Bone
The lower end of my dose is less then 1/10 the 750mg mark for test when you figure in the 35% BA. If i were to take 500mg of MENT per week, then yes...i would experience 12x the suppression, but why would anyone do such a thing? That would be like taking 5000 mg of test.
My goal with this compound is to find a dosage that provides me with the anabolism of 500-750mg of test/wk which should equal just slightly more suppression then an equal dosage of test. Also, while the estrogen that comes from MENT is potent i don't believe it is 10x as potent as normal estrogen so my dosage will likely provide less chances for gyno then an equivelent dosage of test.
I am still doing research and trying to come up with a good dosage so things may change a bit.
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