Yes, I have heard users have had good results. So what is the difference between a “designer steroid”, “anabolic steroid”, and a “prohormone”? (Yes, I am relatively speaking a “newbie” who is still learning).
Well ProHormones are steroids, they company’s that make them for obvious reasons can’t come out and say that there steroids tho.
^^^^ this. Its a steroid and one of my fvorites out of the ones ive tried
Man guiness beer sound like bad liver toxicity were u running any liver support like tudca ?
Yea... I always run a cycle support with nac in it and then some tudca also and lots of water but man any drinking in something that liver toxic is a big no. I always watch my urines color and if it were ever to get close to that dark id stop my orals asap
I second that statement also from personal experience!
Thanks. Very informative answer.
How long are your cycles? Did you keep most of your gains from the DMZ? Would DMZ be safe to run 5 to 6 weeks despite being methylated?
Funny thing is I bet there are a TON of guys who just walk into their local supplement shop and ask for a suggestion from the dude with muscles behind the counter for a “prohormone” to try. The dude then sells him some DMZ and he has no idea he is now taking steroids! Lol
I always run it for 8. Cycle supports and lots of water and be smart about what you put into your body for that time and youll be fine. I always avoid nsaids and tylenol on orals. And i never drink alcohol but if you do its smarter to stay aeay from that on cycle too. The gains really start coming on strong week 3-4 for dmz so i like to keep it going longer
Damn, that’s crazy. Do you live in England or something? That stuff doesn’t fly in the US. Only thing you can get in a supplement store is DHEA, and only the oral kind.
I get dmz msten and trest in supp stores here in the US
Are they corporate supp stores or mom and pop shops? I had no idea.
Well i dont go to like gnc or super supplements if thats what you mean
No I live in the US. Someone on here told me some stores still sell trest and dmz at some supplement shops so I called around (obviously didn’t bother calling places like GNC and Vitamin Shoppe). The first place I called stocked Hexadrone (another designer steroid), but no DMZ. 2nd place didn’t have anything. Third store...bingo! He said they have DMZ 3 or 4 bottles. Sjnce it is technically an unlisted controlled substance
Yeah that’s what I mean. Now I gotta do some searching around my city. That’s good information to know.
That’s nuts. I’m gonna do the same thing.
Definantly dont drink and stay away from tylenol or acetaminophen wich is in lots of cold medecine so read the labels
DMz and Trest are not legal even though they are not explicitly listed as as banned.Per the 2014 law a substance does NOT have to be explicitly listed to meet the definition of the 2014 law as a steroid controlled substance. Cool thing is it is probably not a controlled substance in ANY state law so a cop couldn’t bust someone for possessing it. (Kind of like how a policeman wouldn’t bust someone for possession of Marijuana in Colorado). Also, I emailed a very infamous steroid defense attorney and he told me he has NEVER had a case of the Feds prosecuting someone for possessing one of the illegal substances that was not explicitly listed as banned. I am sure it is only a matter of time before they go ahead and list it.
So is it safe to say even a “prohormone” is basically the same thing as a “designer steroid” in that it has to undergo conversion to change into a banned compound in the user’s body, but the supplement companies just prefer to call them “prohormones” for marketing purposes to avoid the stigma associated with steroids, thereby attracting more potential customers who might otherwise not use the compounds if they came right out and called them “designer steroids”?
Theyre pretty different. I love trest for the feel good aspect. It gives aggression, strength, size, all of it fairly quickly. Its pretty awesome. Alot of people get bad estro sides from it although it never gave me much trouble even on just my AI i take for trt which is .25 adex e3.5d. Dmz doesnt aromatize so shouldnt give any trouble there. Ive never needed an AI on dmz at all. Dmz is awesome for strength, and lean, dry gains. It didnt matter what i ate on dmz i would gain weight but get leaner every time. Great for a recomp
I think the safest bet would be to go to a brick and mortar supplement store and pay cash if you are thinking of getting it. Don’t have to worry about things like the “online retailer” who is selling it ever getting busted by the Feds and your name, credit card, address etc. being in the system (even though I don’t think the Feds would ever follow up with small time users. They have bigger fish to fry).
I heard DMZ is less harsh on liver than Trest, that true? Did you keep a lot of your gains from the DMZ?
Idk how true that is. I take cycle supports and never had any signs of liver stress on either one. In fact i just got blood work at the end of a dmz cycle on which i finished up the last few weeks on mentabolan (ph to trest) and my liver enzymes were well within range
Whats that ... for? Is that directed at my post about liver enzymes? Lol
Sorry it was a butt text reply oops lol
Oh lol i thought you were acting skeptical about my bloodwork. I mean i dont have them anymore to post em up but i dont have any reason to lie about it lol
No total accident sorry man
negative.. designers and AAS don't need to convert to active hormones.. they are active in their raw form but then also metabolise into other hormones.. but not converting so to speak. there is a difference. conversion like we talk about with PHs, happens via enzematic conversion.. and todays crop of PH are at best 2 step conversions to reach the target. back in the day your OG PHs were 1 step conversions. now to your point of marketing, I suppose its all been done before, and you cant put it past em.
You can definitely run it 6 weeks with liver support. The gains come from a lot of glycogen retention, I definitely look smaller when I'm off, but its definitely worth it.
Cool. On your first run of it, about how many pounds did you keep after pct that was not due to glycogen?
Hmmm.. that was about 4 years ago. I can tell you DMZ was the one compound that put me at the highest weight I've ever been at. I loose weight when I come off, probably 50%.. but the new muscle I've accumulated gives me a whole new physique.
I don't believe that one brother. Without having individual test results to compare the two ( I've run them both, just not individually)..... I personally believe DMZ to be harsher on the liver. And most of what I've read tends to agree.
I was too. I had always thought that dmz would be the harsher of the two.
Oral Trest is an extremely strong compound, it's half life is just pretty short. It's my favorite preworkout overall, and a very strong steroid on its own, or in a stack
Are you talking about taking it before a workout when your cycling it or do you take it as a preworkout off cycle too? Ive heard of people using dbol that way.