Winter Lean Bulk Cycle Log - Halodrol/Epistane/NorDelta6!

[ZachH]

Get in on this guys im going all out balls to the walls on this cycle. Been planning it for a while and finally started it this morning! Goal is to add as much lean mass and strength as possible in the next 60 days and will try to keep a detailed log along the way. This is my 2nd cycle ever, first one was just a 1/4/epiandro stack. Im expecting this cycle to blow that one out of the water!!

Layout -

Days 1-60 NOS Nor Delta 6 TD 2ml/day
Days 1-60 AG Androsterone TD 1-2ml/day Days 1-60 VL Freak Show 4 andro 300-450mg/day
Days 1-60 VL Dark Carnival Epiandro 900-1200mg/day
Days 1-45 OL Halodrol(75/75/100/100/100/100)
LGI Epistane(30/30/30/40/40/40)
Days 1-60 ZOO mk677 20mg/day

Support Supps: Ar1macare Pro, Aegis, Extra Tudca, SAMe, milk thistle extract, Hawthorn Extract, Celery Extract, Garlic extract, Dandelion Root, taurine, Ultra EPA/DHA Fish Oil, Evomuse Krillipid Balance krill oil, Cialis, Exemestane, Orange triad plus cissus, controlled labs greens/reds.

Other supps: OL Assassinate, chaos and pain predator, l carnitine l tartate, OL tr1umph, creatine mono, SNS growth factor XT, various stim fat burners, various pre workouts, various protein powders, chaos and pain helios, evomuse gut health, evomuse defuse on cheat meals, and a few others.


PCT:
Clomid 50/25/25/25/12.5
Exem 0/0/0/12.5mgE3D/12.5mgE3D/6.25mgE3D/6.25mgE3D
Zoo MK677 20mg/indefinitely until i feel like stopping
BLR Rebirth Weeks 3-8
Evomuse Testruction Weeks 1-8
Chaos and Pain Cannibal Alpha PCT Weeks 1-8
BPS Sustain Alpha Weeks 2-10
OL ASHWAGANDHA 2.5G/day weeks 1-16
SNS Reduce XT Weeks 2-6
SNS X GELS Weeks 1-8 1-1.5G Pre W.O
OL Epilogue or BLR FD2 Weeks 1-12
OL STRENGTH unleashed Laxo 200mg/day weeks 1-16
OL Tr1umph weeks 1-12
Performax Labs Massmax XT Weeks 4-12

LETS GO!!!

 

[Whisky]

****ing hell, you remortgaged your house for this cycle?

 

[ZachH]

****ing hell, you remortgaged your house for this cycle?

Lol what do you mean. This is only like 1/10th of my stash. I have a problem but im stocked up for over a year's worth of all staples plus a ton of extra natty anabolics, and a ton of non natty anabolics and cycle supports. I don't pay full price for anything though. I spend a lot of effort getting stuff as cheap as you can possibly get it since i know i like buying a lot. The most id ever pay for something is when its 30% off but that's only if i really want it. Usually 50-70% off is when i stock up on a bunch.

 

[Juicedeez utz]

Lol more is not always better

 

[210LBS]

You ever hear the phrase "less is more?" Seriously, between your cycle, PCT, cycle support, and miscellaneous supplements, you are running what.... 40.. 50 supplements or so? Maybe this would be a good time for you to start working on your problem?

I'm not saying your plan looks bad, but it looks like you're throwing everything and the kitchen sink in there.

 

[ZachH]

Lol more is not always better

More what? Its a simple layout with nothing overlapping. This is all over a 6 month period if you read it correctly. 2 months cycle, and the pct i have extended to 4 months. That's not a lot of supps for half a year.

 

[210LBS]

More what? Its a simple layout with nothing overlapping. This is all over a 6 month period if you read it correctly. 2 months cycle, and the pct i have extended to 4 months. That's not a lot of supps for half a year.

For what it's worth, I would run the epicatechin product on cycle for blood pressure. Nobody seems to run it that way, but it seems like a good idea.

 

[Whisky]

Lol what do you mean. This is only like 1/10th of my stash. I have a problem but im stocked up for over a year's worth of all staples plus a ton of extra natty anabolics, and a ton of non natty anabolics and cycle supports. I don't pay full price for anything though. I spend a lot of effort getting stuff as cheap as you can possibly get it since i know i like buying a lot. The most id ever pay for something is when its 30% off but that's only if i really want it. Usually 50-70% off is when i stock up on a bunch.

Even at half price this makes my wallet hurt (and im fortunate to have a good job). Lol

Fair play if you've built up that stash and still have both your kidneys

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Subbed :]

 

[AnabolicGuru]

****ing hell, you remortgaged your house for this cycle?

Hahahah

 

[nubioso]

You know I'm in it to win it over here too, brotha!

 

[JulzRulz]

Sub'd!

 

[ZachH]

Day 4 update - havent been updating the log much because obviously its the start of the cycle and not much to be noted yet. Other than my weight! It has gone up dramatically. Before this cycle i was taking 10mg mk677 a night for 4 months. The first day of the cycle i upped vicious labs mk dose to 20mg/day and this may also be another factor in my increase in weight. But before the cycle i started at about 197 lbs, and on day 4 im now weighing between 204-205. Diet has had a pretty significant increase in calories as well. Probably averaging 4000 cals a day now give or take. And i am not at all bloated in the gut or noted increased water retention with the weight increase which means its probably mostly muscular glycogen retention as im looking much fuller and more defined even with the weight increase. We will see if this tapers off or continues the same! Girlfriend also pointed out already that im looking "pumped" all the time.

Feeling a little more aggressive and on edge as well. Not to the point of snapping but more irritable for sure. End of day 4 approaching. About to eat up and get a good night's sleep for tomorrow's lifts (push/pull/legs)

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Day 4 update - havent been updating the log much because obviously its the start of the cycle and not much to be noted yet. Other than my weight! It has gone up dramatically. Before this cycle i was taking 10mg mk677 a night for 4 months. The first day of the cycle i upped vicious labs mk dose to 20mg/day and this may also be another factor in my increase in weight. But before the cycle i started at about 197 lbs, and on day 4 im now weighing between 204-205. Diet has had a pretty significant increase in calories as well. Probably averaging 4000 cals a day now give or take. And i am not at all bloated in the gut or noted increased water retention with the weight increase which means its probably mostly muscular glycogen retention as im looking much fuller and more defined even with the weight increase. We will see if this tapers off or continues the same! Girlfriend also pointed out already that im looking "pumped" all the time.

Feeling a little more aggressive and on edge as well. Not to the point of snapping but more irritable for sure. End of day 4 approaching. About to eat up and get a good night's sleep for tomorrow's lifts (push/pull/legs)

Mirin.

 

[mike33511]

I'm not going to hate on you for what you spend your money on. It's yours, and you are free to do with it as you wish. With the amount of money you spend on andros and natty supps though, you could buy so much real gear. You could run a 4-5 month cycle and a 1 month PCT, instead of a 2 month cycle and a 4 month PCT. Something to think about.

 

[ZachH]

I'm not going to hate on you for what you spend your money on. It's yours, and you are free to do with it as you wish. With the amount of money you spend on andros and natty supps though, you could buy so much real gear. You could run a 4-5 month cycle and a 1 month PCT, instead of a 2 month cycle and a 4 month PCT. Something to think about.

I know bro it's dumb how much cheaper real gear is. Ill get there eventually lol

 

[ZachH]

Day 6- Leg day! Today was a long day at work and i really wasnt feeling the gym today... Got home, rubbed another 1ml of nor delta 6 on, popped 600mg VL epiandro and a scoop of Mesomorph and got myself going for the hardest day to train... Legs.

It was amazing!!! Got a new PR on squats and was super stoked about it. NEVER attempted 365 before (i go past parallel no half squat B.S) and i smoked it for 1 rep by myself and then 2 more with my girl squeezing my abdominal area for support. It felt awesome, form stayed good. Did a ton of volume work after 10 sets of heavy squats for a 2 hour leg day and my legs are toast. Can barely walk lol. No sides yet to note but so far so good!

The grind goes on...

 

[morata9]

Get in on this guys im going all out balls to the walls on this cycle. Been planning it for a while and finally started it this morning! Goal is to add as much lean mass and strength as possible in the next 60 days and will try to keep a detailed log along the way. This is my 2nd cycle ever, first one was just a 1/4/epiandro stack. Im expecting this cycle to blow that one out of the water!!

Layout -

Days 1-60 NOS Nor Delta 6 TD 2ml/day
Days 1-60 AG Androsterone TD 1-2ml/day Days 1-60 VL Freak Show 4 andro 300-450mg/day
Days 1-60 VL Dark Carnival Epiandro 900-1200mg/day
Days 1-45 OL Halodrol(75/75/100/100/100/100)
LGI Epistane(30/30/30/40/40/40)
Days 1-60 ZOO mk677 20mg/day

Support Supps: Ar1macare Pro, Aegis, Extra Tudca, SAMe, milk thistle extract, Hawthorn Extract, Celery Extract, Garlic extract, Dandelion Root, taurine, Ultra EPA/DHA Fish Oil, Evomuse Krillipid Balance krill oil, Cialis, Exemestane, Orange triad plus cissus, controlled labs greens/reds.

Other supps: OL Assassinate, chaos and pain predator, l carnitine l tartate, OL tr1umph, creatine mono, SNS growth factor XT, various stim fat burners, various pre workouts, various protein powders, chaos and pain helios, evomuse gut health, evomuse defuse on cheat meals, and a few others.


PCT:
Clomid 50/25/25/25/12.5
Exem 0/0/0/12.5mgE3D/12.5mgE3D/6.25mgE3D/6.25mgE3D
Zoo MK677 20mg/indefinitely until i feel like stopping
BLR Rebirth Weeks 3-8
Evomuse Testruction Weeks 1-8
Chaos and Pain Cannibal Alpha PCT Weeks 1-8
BPS Sustain Alpha Weeks 2-10
OL ASHWAGANDHA 2.5G/day weeks 1-16
SNS Reduce XT Weeks 2-6
SNS X GELS Weeks 1-8 1-1.5G Pre W.O
OL Epilogue or BLR FD2 Weeks 1-12
OL STRENGTH unleashed Laxo 200mg/day weeks 1-16
OL Tr1umph weeks 1-12
Performax Labs Massmax XT Weeks 4-12

LETS GO!!!

For PCT you need only Clomid and Super pct..

 

[210LBS]

Are you supposed to be running an AI for PCT on this? I thought that was run on cycle or kept on hand for PCT only if needed.

 

[morata9]

You don't need any AI with product as Epistane or Halodrol.

 

[210LBS]

You don't need any AI with product as Epistane or Halodrol.

It's always good to have an AI on hand because you never know if anything will aromatize or if estrogen will pop on the rebound. Regardless, I thought you weren't supposed to run an AI in PCT unless needed?

 

[ZachH]

It's always good to have an AI on hand because you never know if anything will aromatize or if estrogen will pop on the rebound. Regardless, I thought you weren't supposed to run an AI in PCT unless needed?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/276620-post-cycle-therapy.html

 

[210LBS]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/276620-post-cycle-therapy.html

Thanks for the link. It is still a little confusing to me though. If you don't need to run an AI during the cycle, why would someone need to run it in PCT? And why are you starting it 4 weeks into your PCT? Sorry if stupid questions.

 

[nubioso]

Thanks for the link. It is still a little confusing to me though. If you don't need to run an AI during the cycle, why would someone need to run it in PCT? And why are you starting it 4 weeks into your PCT? Sorry if stupid questions.

Epistane has the tendency to cause rebound gyno after you stop it. This is why you need an AI in this particular run during PCT because that's when the symptoms appear. It depends on each compound you're running. Some aromatize while you run it, like trest, in which you need it during the cycle. Epistane doesn't aromatize, but can cause the rebound once you've stopped.

 

[210LBS]

Epistane has the tendency to cause rebound gyno after you stop it. This is why you need an AI in this particular run during PCT because that's when the symptoms appear. It depends on each compound you're running. Some aromatize while you run it, like trest, in which you need it during the cycle. Epistane doesn't aromatize, but can cause the rebound once you've stopped.

Does almost any effective compound pose some threat of rebound though? Also, what is the point of starting it so late into PCT?

 

[nubioso]

Does almost any effective compound pose some threat of rebound though? Also, what is the point of starting it so late into PCT?

No, I wouldn't say any effective compound can pose a threat of rebound. I don't think Winstrol, for example, has that issue. I know Msten doesn't as well.

As far as starting it so late in PCT, well, he's already got a SERM in place so that should take care of any immediate issues and it could be a case where he simply doesn't need it until that later in his PCT. There's no real indicator that says "Start taking the AI right now!" plus it could take that amount of time for the rebound to happen. It's not like the day after you stop epistane you're going to rebound immediately and develop tits over night, ya know?

 

[210LBS]

No, I wouldn't say any effective compound can pose a threat of rebound. I don't think Winstrol, for example, has that issue. I know Msten doesn't as well.

As far as starting it so late in PCT, well, he's already got a SERM in place so that should take care of any immediate issues and it could be a case where he simply doesn't need it until that later in his PCT. There's no real indicator that says "Start taking the AI right now!" plus it could take that amount of time for the rebound to happen. It's not like the day after you stop epistane you're going to rebound immediately and develop tits over night, ya know?

I get it, it's just not something I've commonly seen done in this kind of cycle. Typically I've seen people run AI on cycle (if the compound highly aromatizes) and then immediately start to taper down in PCT. I usually don't see an AI starting the 5th week into PCT. I'm an amateur on this stuff anyway so I'm still learning.

 

[ZachH]

Does almost any effective compound pose some threat of rebound though? Also, what is the point of starting it so late into PCT?

nubioso pretty much summed it up for you. I will add though, the reason for starting exem later in pct and taking it PAST the point of ending your SERM is like nubs said, to prevent rebound gyno.

Taking a serm such as clomid, for example, will boost your testosterone levels and as we know, a byproduct of testosterone is estrogen. While taking clomid your test levels are rising, but so is your estrogen. While you're taking the serm, the serm is preventing that estrogen from causing gyno because it blocks the estrogen from binding to your chest. But what happens when you stop taking the serm is you have all this elevated testosterone and elevated estrogen, but nothing to prevent the estrogen from causing gyno. This is where exem comes into play. It helps keep estrogen levels in check after completion of the serm to prevent rebound gyno.

 

[nubioso]

I get it, it's just not something I've commonly seen done in this kind of cycle. Typically I've seen people run AI on cycle (if the compound highly aromatizes) and then immediately start to taper down in PCT. I usually don't see an AI starting the 5th week into PCT. I'm an amateur on this stuff anyway so I'm still learning.

Dude, I'm still learning as well!

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Epistane has the tendency to cause rebound gyno after you stop it. This is why you need an AI in this particular run during PCT because that's when the symptoms appear. It depends on each compound you're running. Some aromatize while you run it, like trest, in which you need it during the cycle. Epistane doesn't aromatize, but can cause the rebound once you've stopped.

Epistane actually messed with my nipples while I was on cycle when I first ran it. I think it’s always a good idea to keep an aromatize inhibitor on hand for this reason alone. Running a low dose aromatize inhibitor with a serm isn’t a bad idea either.

 

[ZachH]

day 9 - took a rest day yesterday and absolutely pigged out for thanksgiving! Trained push again today chest/tris/delts. Weighed in at 212 lbs after my workout lmao!! Thats 17 lbs gained in 2 weeks. Hoping im holding water from my feast yesterday. Looking bigger and fuller and much stronger already. Obviously with 17 lbs gained i have gained a little bit of fat, but still have visible abs. Going to focus on keeping diet really clean and not gain much more fat. Girlfriend already noticed my boys downstairs were up tight and much smaller already. No bad sides yet so far things are going smooth! Things should really start kicking in soon!

 

[210LBS]

Damn dude those are some impressive gains in 2 weeks! By the way, what is NorDelta6? Don't mean to sound stupid but I'm not familiar with it. Have a link to it or something?

 

[ZachH]

Damn dude those are some impressive gains in 2 weeks! By the way, what is NorDelta6? Don't mean to sound stupid but I'm not familiar with it. Have a link to it or something?

Its made by Nos labs. Well known guy whos been around for a long time. Nothing but top notch products. Nor delta 6 is supposed to be similar to nandrolone or NPP

 

[210LBS]

Its made by Nos labs. Well known guy whos been around for a long time. Nothing but top notch products. Nor delta 6 is supposed to be similar to nandrolone or NPP

So is it 19norandro or something different? I'm just wondering what the compound is. I can probably find it later.

 

[nubioso]

So is it 19norandro or something different? I'm just wondering what the compound is. I can probably find it later.

yes, it's a 19nor

 

[ZachH]

So is it 19norandro or something different? I'm just wondering what the compound is. I can probably find it later.

It is a 19nor but it is not an andro, no.

 

[210LBS]

It is a 19nor but it is not an andro, no.

Now you have my interest. I just passed up some 19nor-andro as I've heard it's not particularly that great. I am interested in nandrolone though as it is supposed to be an easier one on the hair line. Are there any other companies that sell this compound as a TD? I can't seem to find this one. Thanks.

 

[ZachH]

Now you have my interest. I just passed up some 19nor-andro as I've heard it's not particularly that great. I am interested in nandrolone though as it is supposed to be an easier one on the hair line. Are there any other companies that sell this compound as a TD? I can't seem to find this one. Thanks.

Nope he is the only one that makes this product that i know of. You can find TD nandrolone though but this nor delta 6 isnt nandrolone, just very similar to it.

 

[210LBS]

Nope he is the only one that makes this product that i know of. You can find TD nandrolone though but this nor delta 6 isnt nandrolone, just very similar to it.

Thanks! I'm going to look into this because this is sounds like it would be a good match for me. I'll be following your log!

 

[nubioso]

Now you have my interest. I just passed up some 19nor-andro as I've heard it's not particularly that great. I am interested in nandrolone though as it is supposed to be an easier one on the hair line. Are there any other companies that sell this compound as a TD? I can't seem to find this one. Thanks.

He told you it's Nos labs, just search that. Should be within the first results.

 

[210LBS]

He told you it's Nos labs, just search that. Should be within the first results.

Yeah I found it. Looking for some reviews and experiences on it but there is nothing. It's very new.

 

[nubioso]

Yeah I found it. Looking for some reviews and experiences on it but there is nothing. It's very new.

Yeah man, unfortunately a lot of his products are brand new so you won't find anything on them besides information on things that are fairly close. It's a 19nor, so it'll be powerful to say the least. I think I read one guy said he had tren like body recomp effects with it. Not to the same extent as tren, but still impressive apparently. All anecdotal though.

 

[210LBS]

Yeah man, unfortunately a lot of his products are brand new so you won't find anything on them besides information on things that are fairly close. It's a 19nor, so it'll be powerful to say the least. I think I read one guy said he had tren like body recomp effects with it. Not to the same extent as tren, but still impressive apparently. All anecdotal though.

Yeah... I'm personally not that into stuff that is that new. Same reason why I've never been interested in SARMS - still a little too new for my liking. I like to wait as much as possible on the science and reviews. I'm definitely interested though!

 

[ZachH]

Day 10- busy family day and ohio state Michigan game. Rest day. Got an early workout tomorrow and fueling up on brown rice chicken and veggies right now. Going to kill a combo of back, legs, abs, biceps tomorrow morning since Monday and Tuesday will be rest days for me as well since its ohio deer gun season and I'll be out of town hunting! Will update again soon

 

[ZachH]

day 14- first day back in the gym since day 11. Went ohio deer gun hunting monday and Tuesday and shot a monster buck. Was so stoked. Today i trained legs, and got another PR on squats! Did 3 sets of 315 with no spot, and then got the PR of 7 DEEP reps with no spot and it felt so light and easy. Things are really kicking in now. Didnt weigh myself because i feel bloated and fat lol ill weigh myself for tomorrow's push chest/delts/tris workout. Tomorrow i up the dose of the halodrol to 100mg a day and after a week or so of that bump in dosage, ill then bump the epi up to 40mg a day.

I also picked up an extra bottle of nor delta 6 so at day 30 im increasing the nor delta dosage from 2ml a day to 3 ml a day!!

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Damn! I wish I has the balls to take 3 days off; my shoulder could really use it haha. Good to hear your cycle is going well man.

 

[ZachH]

Damn! I wish I has the balls to take 3 days off; my shoulder could really use it haha. Good to hear your cycle is going well man.

Yeah i definitely didnt want to man but it was valuable time with my dad that was well worth the rest days. And im feeling good so maybe it was good for my body too! Ready to kill my lifts this afternoon. Will update later with weight and other updates

 

[ZachH]

Day 16- yesterday was a busy ass day so couldn't update last night. But i trained push chest/tris/delts yesterday and was feeling strong so went to the 105lb dumbbells on flat bench and got 2 sets of 5 slow controlled reps! Ive never been strong enough to do the 105's at all. So things are def kicking in now and yesterday i upped the dose of halo to 100. I think in 1 more week things will be in full swing!!! Loving this so far. Boners good, sleep is good, pee is extremely yellow especially first thing in morning, no lethargy and only minor back bumps. Weighed in at 209.5 yesterday up from 195 at the start of the cycle. Had a big dinner last night and today is a rest day. Next session will be pull back/bis/traps. Only negative so far that is from the holiday feasting is ive put on a tiny bit too much fat for my liking. But ive been strict on diet lately so shouldn't gain too much more fat. Happy friday!!

 

[JahCure]

In for before /after pics ZachH !

 

[ZachH]

In for before /after pics ZachH !

Ill try to get some pics. Im mad because im gaining a little too much fat but it is what it is. Strength and size is increasing like crazy. Today is day 20 and i train legs today. Will report back on how that goes. I upped the epistane dose to 40mg a couple days ago and halo is still at 100mg. Things are about to be getting exciting!!!