PCT, mood, and libido question

[rdutton2]

Hey fellas,

First time posting but let me just get to the point. I ran a 12 week 500mg a week Test Cyp only cycle, arimidex .5. It was great, solid gains, crazy sex drive, heighted mood etc. i cycled off the test and started my PCT two weeks after last pin. PCT is Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/10/10. I also decided to throw in a natty test booster. Bottom line my libido and mood are really down and am considering doing only a 3 week PCT and cutting it short because the clomid is giving me many emotional sides.

So my question overall is 1. Is a three week PCT for a test only cycle okay? And are there any recomended tried and true libido boosters that will help me bone my girl again? Thanks guys

Age 25, weight 245, height 6'2

No bloods

 

[CatSnake]

Hey fellas,

First time posting but let me just get to the point. I ran a 12 week 500mg a week Test Cyp only cycle, arimidex .5. It was great, solid gains, crazy sex drive, heighted mood etc. i cycled off the test and started my PCT two weeks after last pin. PCT is Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/10/10. I also decided to throw in a natty test booster. Bottom line my libido and mood are really down and am considering doing only a 3 week PCT and cutting it short because the clomid is giving me many emotional sides.

So my question overall is 1. Is a three week PCT for a test only cycle okay? And are there any recomended tried and true libido boosters that will help me bone my girl again? Thanks guys

Age 25, weight 245, height 6'2

No bloods

next time pick one SERM and use normal doses. the PCT that you did is part of the problem.... I'd stop the clomid now and run the Nolva at 10 mg/day for another 2-3 weeks.

next time, I'd suggest clomid at 25 mg/day for 6 weeks or so. or Nolva at 20 mg/day for 6 weeks.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288103-info-serms.html

 

[CatSnake]

also, what "natty test booster" are you taking?

 

[rdutton2]

Just mega test by Primeval labs

 

[rdutton2]

Thanks for the reply man. Yeah i figured it was something like that, but I kept seeing idiots and my buddies running clomid at 100mg so I tried to be somewhat modest. I'm currently at 25mg of clomid and 10mg of nolva. Thoughts on just doing a 3 week PCT given the fact that's a test only cycle

 

[CatSnake]

Thanks for the reply man. Yeah i figured it was something like that, but I kept seeing idiots and my buddies running clomid at 100mg so I tried to be somewhat modest. I'm currently at 25mg of clomid and 10mg of nolva. Thoughts on just doing a 3 week PCT given the fact that's a test only cycle

well, do you really think a 3 week PCT is gonna make up for a 12 week cycle?

 

[rdutton2]

Lol i'm assuming you're telling me it is not. Well with that said, aside from dropping the clomid and lowering the nolva dose do you have any methods for raising libido during the suppression period, stuff like this makes me want to hop back on cycle HAHA. Unleashed is supposed to help some people

 

[Toren]

Recovery can takes weeks or even months for some people. Even after recovering to baseline hormones levels, people can still feel off for months after hormone manipulation. This is the risk steroid users take. I wish more people would understand this. Having the perfect PCT guarantees you nothing.

You need to get bloodwork and stop guessing. You are pissing in the wind right now. Your E levels may be out of whack.

How many weeks of PCT have you done - two or three? I think it would be a bad idea to stop your PCT now. If the sides from the SERMs are bothering you drop the dose down a bit. It would be pointless to stop the PCT when you have zero idea what your hormone levels are.

There's nothing specifically wrong with running a dual SERM PCT. All of my PCTs are this way and I always recover great. The use of Clomid and Nolva may increase the likelihood of recovery as the two drugs can potentiate eachother. I would have used a 1/2 dose of each, however.

You could try some Cialis in the mean time to help out in the bedroom.

Get bloodwork before you do anything!

 

[rdutton2]

Thanks for the info boss, and I know I should've been on the ball about getting bloods done. Right now i'm on week 2 of my pct, recently dropped the dose and anxiety has gone down a bit. I guess my biggest fear that is affecting my mood is fearing not being able to get it up. I'm away from my girl right now and will be seeing her in about 4 weeks from now and just want to make sure I can get it up. I just have heard that a 3 week pct is all that's necessary so I was just double checking on here.

 

[Smont]

This is why it's also good to have hcg. Most ppl will say you don't need it for a test only cycle but now you know you do. You could try blasting some hcg for 2 weeks followed by some nolva. Or just continue your current PCT for longer but is pick one serm and run with it.

 

[Smont]

Also seccond the Cialis. Always have some if your cycling. Imagine some chick seeing this big stud walk in the room and he can't perform for her. It blows, I've had it happen. Luckily I got a second chance to make it right but u get the point. Gotta be all show and all go

 

[rdutton2]

My balls came back to full size day 2 of pct so I thought that was a good sign but you are saying I should drop one of the serms?

 

[Smont]

Ya that's my opinion, I think 2 is overkill in any situation.

 

[rdutton2]

Yeah I have some tadalafil on hand, and was thinking of grabbing a research chem Viagra too and stacking those with a test booster and some unleashed. Maybe overkill, but hey

 

[Toren]

Thanks for the info boss, and I know I should've been on the ball about getting bloods done. Right now i'm on week 2 of my pct, recently dropped the dose and anxiety has gone down a bit. I guess my biggest fear that is affecting my mood is fearing not being able to get it up. I'm away from my girl right now and will be seeing her in about 4 weeks from now and just want to make sure I can get it up. I just have heard that a 3 week pct is all that's necessary so I was just double checking on here.

It's actually quite common for SERMs to lower libido even while they are stimulating Testosterone production.

It's not too late for bloodwork. Depending on where you live (if in the USA), you may have results in a few days.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/157529-cheap-bloodwork-how.html

 

[Smont]

Never tried both together, only used one in a emergency or on a vacation but hey. Never gonna know till u try

 

[rdutton2]

No I know that's a big side effect. That's why I was considering doing a 3 week pct instead of 4, less time with low libido was mg logic I guess lol

 

[TheMovement]

Our stats are so similar! Yep you just convinced me to stay on the natty train longer.

 

[rdutton2]

Hahah thats funny bro, we're some big boys! Honestly bro its up to you, on test only I felt better than I have in years, mood, sex, PR's. But Im not about to perma cycle so i cycled off, and yes PCT sucks but I think i'll be back to normal in not to long.

 

[TheMovement]

Hahah thats funny bro, we're some big boys! Honestly bro its up to you, on test only I felt better than I have in years, mood, sex, PR's. But Im not about to perma cycle so i cycled off, and yes PCT sucks but I think i'll be back to normal in not to long.

You ain’t kidding! Filling the frame is hard work!

 

[The Express 42]

M test by CEL could possibly help you in the libido section, and get some tadalafil over viagra from enhanced rx. You’re lucky you’ve got 4 weeks off. I started dating my girl on cycle and I’m hoping the tadalafil can do the trick until I’m back up and fully running

 

[Thefatbloke]

Dropping the clomid might help with emotional side effects. Any serm can cause a reduction in libido, however getting the boys back to normal is more important than a couple of weeks of under performance.

Keep the nolva going for 6 weeks at 10

Add in HCG if you can get it.

Pde5's increase test as well as giving you boners and have as big psychological effect.

A natty test booster is a good idea. Kingsblood might be a good option.

 

[booneman77]

Hey fellas,

First time posting but let me just get to the point. I ran a 12 week 500mg a week Test Cyp only cycle, arimidex .5. It was great, solid gains, crazy sex drive, heighted mood etc. i cycled off the test and started my PCT two weeks after last pin. PCT is Clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/20/10/10. I also decided to throw in a natty test booster. Bottom line my libido and mood are really down and am considering doing only a 3 week PCT and cutting it short because the clomid is giving me many emotional sides.

So my question overall is 1. Is a three week PCT for a test only cycle okay? And are there any recomended tried and true libido boosters that will help me bone my girl again? Thanks guys

Age 25, weight 245, height 6'2

No bloods

First, to limit the sides, drop the clomid down to 25 and nolva to 10 and run them LONGER. if the sides from the clomid are still too much, you can drop it and finish with jsut nolva though. A longer, slower, lower dose pct is actually preferable since it allows for an easier, more natural transition. YOu could even drop the clomid below 25 and run it longer (8 weeks or so).

One thing that I didn't see mentioned is an ai for pct... if your estrogen is too high or low, that could be the cause of your libido issues. SNS Inhibit-E is a good OTC option for some, but not extreme e control.

Same with cortisol or prolactin. Prolactin is less likely due to what you ran, but cortisol can certainly spike in any pct. SNS Reduce XT would help take care of that portion.

 

[rdutton2]

My testes are full size again, and I can get an erection when masturbating, but just can't really get more than one without trying hard. I think i'm gonna drop the clomid today because the anxiety was unbearable.

 

[Thefatbloke]

Anxiety can be a performance killer even without being in PCT. That's why in this case Kingsblood might be a good add in. The KSM-66 should have a slight calming effect as well as helping with restoration of function.

 

[rdutton2]

So i dropped the clomid and am at 20mg ed of Nolva and feel fantastic. Libido and mood have gone up so I think ill do 20mg for week 3 and taper down to 10mg. Does that sound good?

 

[CatSnake]

So i dropped the clomid and am at 20mg ed of Nolva and feel fantastic. Libido and mood have gone up so I think ill do 20mg for week 3 and taper down to 10mg. Does that sound good?

how many weeks total are you gonna run it at 10 mg?

nolva, IMO, isn't quite as strong as clomid at raising testosterone, LH, etc. but, it does have less sides, especially at higher doses. combining 2 SERMs tends to exacerbate each other's side effects as well.

EDIT: another issue with high doses of SERMs initially, is that they can spike estrogen (E2) levels due to a rapid rise in test/LH.....

slow and steady works better in this case.

 

[rdutton2]

I was gonna run it at 10mg for the last week. I understand that, I know clomid raises test significantly more but I am just one of those types of people that get tremendous amounts of side effects from it. This will be my total pct.

Clomid 50/50/0/0
Nolva 40/20/20/10

For a test only cyle do you think this could suffice?

My testes were back to normal size on day 2-3 of the PCT .. no hcg was used and theyre already functioning.

 

[Thefatbloke]

Testis size is no guarantee of function, you would expect test production to take longer to kick back in.
TBH second week of pct it's not surprising that things haven't settled yet. Keep going with your plan and it will sort itself out before you meet your girl. If you aren't feeling close to normal by end of week 4 get bloods.

 

[CatSnake]

I was gonna run it at 10mg for the last week. I understand that, I know clomid raises test significantly more but I am just one of those types of people that get tremendous amounts of side effects from it. This will be my total pct.

Clomid 50/50/0/0
Nolva 40/20/20/10

For a test only cyle do you think this could suffice?

My testes were back to normal size on day 2-3 of the PCT .. no hcg was used and theyre already functioning.

no. run it 6 weeks, at least.

 

[rdutton2]

Sounds good mate, i'm supposed to see her 10 days after PCT is over

 

[The Express 42]

Definitely run your serm up to when you’re meeting with her it can only help and have your tadalafil ready lol you’ll be golden

 

[rdutton2]

Doesn't nolva lower libido though?

 

[CatSnake]

Doesn't nolva lower libido though?

in some people, it's possible.

however, low testosterone and high E2 will almost certainly lower libido.

take the nolva at night, as it can make some guys drowsy.

I believe I posted a link on the SERM thread that showed it has been used to treat anxiety in men, as well...

 

[rdutton2]

Nolva has been used to treat anxiety? Wow that's very interesting

 

[CatSnake]

Nolva has been used to treat anxiety? Wow that's very interesting

I guess you didn't look at that thread I posted, huh?