DMZ vs M Sten vs Epistane vs Halodrol vs Mithras - Best for strength and mass?!

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  1. DMZ vs M Sten vs Epistane vs Halodrol vs Mithras - Best for strength and mass?!


    I have all orals listed in the title, never ran any of them yet and trying to figure out what to run for next cycle for most MUSCLE mass (not water weight that will leave in PCT) and most strength. I know everyone is different, im just trying to see if there is a majority vote for the above compounds. Ill try to run whatever i choose for 6 weeks as a kicker to my cycle plus tons of support supps for the liver and blood pressure.

    Thanks in advance

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  2. I've only used epistane and methylstenbolone. Epistane will be better for nice dry gains, the strength is fair, and as long as you keep an aromatize inhibitor on hand, you should be fine imo. Msten was also good, it was better in regards to strength. The weight I gained was probably more water than muscle, so if you want dry gains that will stay, it's probably not the best imo. I'd go with epistane, it's tried and true; many aas users will say its the only "ph" they will use. Mithras seemed to have mixed feedback btw; it seemed to be good for strength primarily.

  3. Dmz, it has it all. Strength, dry gains and slaps on the size. Its king of those you listed. I've run them all w the exception of msten.
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  4. You will gain the most weight and strength from Dymethazine. I got noticeably stronger and put on 10lbs.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by dezzy84 View Post
    You will gain the most weight and strength from Dymethazine. I got noticeably stronger and put on 10lbs.
    But how much of it was water? Epistane is pretty easily maintainable given its dry nature, although I personally cant compare it to dmz

  6. Right now DMZ is winning the votes... More input please!!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicGuru View Post
    But how much of it was water? Epistane is pretty easily maintainable given its dry nature, although I personally cant compare it to dmz
    I've tried Epistane and DMZ. Epistane I wasn't super impressed with, had to push the dose. Just a milder compound in my experience. DMZ is not wet by any means, but it gives a fuller look to the muscle like superdrol. If your diet is good you won't have water retention.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by dezzy84 View Post
    I've tried Epistane and DMZ. Epistane I wasn't super impressed with, had to push the dose. Just a milder compound in my experience. DMZ is not wet by any means, but it gives a fuller look to the muscle like superdrol. If your diet is good you won't have water retention.
    I'd try it again man; there's always the possibility that you could've gotten bunk/underdosed stuff. I put on more weight from epi than msten, and the results were much dryer. How many mg of epi did you take and what brand was it?

  9. I started at like 40mg worked my way up to 60 mg. It took longer to kick in for me, and it was mild. Not a bad compound. I used lgi epi-10. Only ran it once for 6 weeks.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dezzy84 View Post
    I started at like 40mg worked my way up to 60 mg. It took longer to kick in for me, and it was mild. Not a bad compound. I used lgi epi-10. Only ran it once for 6 weeks.
    Hmmmm. Either you don't respond to greatly from it or it was underdosed/bunk. Havoc at 20-30mg was pretty strong in my experience; I gained around 16.5lbs, given it was my first cycle. I'll be running epistane again soon but at a higher dose and longer cycle.

  11. I got one bottle of havoc. I'll have to win it this summer.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by dezzy84 View Post
    I got one bottle of havoc. I'll have to win it this summer.
    From predator?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicGuru View Post
    From predator?
    No RPN.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by dezzy84 View Post
    No RPN.
    I was asking if you bought it from predator. They are the only people I know of selling legit havoc (im pretty sure rpn produces it exclusively for them)

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicGuru View Post
    I was asking if you bought it from predator. They are the only people I know of selling legit havoc (im pretty sure rpn produces it exclusively for them)
    Oh gotcha. This is an old bottle, can't remember where I bought it. I've heard good things about Preditor never used them.

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  17. You can get great results from msten if you're eating clean. If diet is a problem i'd go with epi or dmz. In my experience 30mg ed for 5 weeks of msten and a low carb diet brought great strength and size gains

  18. Thanks everyone keep it coming. Kinda leaning towards dmz at this point but still open to more opinions

  19. Halo had the best strength gains from any other ph I've used before and have used your whole list. Gains weren't huge but strength was incredible. Epistane gave me the best gains that stuck around post cycle out of your list. A halo and epi stack would probably be goat
    *Don't message me for sources, I will not respond. Everything I post is fictional and is for entertainment purposes only.*

  20. Quote Originally Posted by yates84 View Post
    Halo had the best strength gains from any other ph I've used before and have used your whole list. Gains weren't huge but strength was incredible. Epistane gave me the best gains that stuck around post cycle out of your list. A halo and epi stack would probably be goat
    I really wanted to do a halo and epi stack... But everyone i ask about it says "too much methyl" or "too dry of a stack even with a test base" but ive seen countless epi and halo stacked logs and read an article on nutriverse website recommending a halo and epi stack.

    You think it would be gtg? I have tons of support supps for liver and blood pressure, probably overkill honestly but id rather be safe than sorry. Ill be running ar1macare pro, Aegis (PPC plus tudca), SAMe, extra Tudca, standardized milk thistle, hawthorn extract, garlic extract, celery seed extract, evomuse krillipid balance krill oil, ultra epa/dha fish oil, orange triad plus extra cissus for joints, controlled labs greens and reds.

    So i should be set on support lol. I wanted to run whatever i choose for 45 days as a kicker to my cycle, how would you recommend dosing an epi/halo stack for the 6 weeks? Something like

    Epi- 30/30/30/40/40/40
    Halo - 50/75/75/100/100/100 (higher?)

    ? Thanks man!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by yates84 View Post
    Halo had the best strength gains from any other ph I've used before and have used your whole list. Gains weren't huge but strength was incredible. Epistane gave me the best gains that stuck around post cycle out of your list. A halo and epi stack would probably be goat
    Here is my complete cycle layout. Lmk what you think, if an epi/halo stack would fit nicely into this cycle. I know you're not a fan of 4 andro lol but i am very estrogen sensitive so trest is a nightmare for me even with exem.

    Weeks 2-10 NOS Labs Nor Delta 6 TD 2ml/day
    Weeks 2-10 Alpha Gainz Androsterone TD 2ml/day
    Weeks 2-10 Hardrock 1 andro 330/day
    Weeks 1-10 Vicous Labs Freak Show 4 andro 450/day
    Weeks 1-10 Vicious Labs Dark Carnival Epiandro 900-1200/day
    Weeks 1-6 OL Halo/ LGI Epi (dosing?)
    Weeks 1-10 ZOO mk677 20mg/day

    Support Supps: Ar1macare Pro, Aegis, Extra Tudca, SAMe, milk thistle extract, Hawthorn Extract, Celery Extract, Garlic extract, Dandelion Root, Ultra EPA/DHA Fish Oil, Evomuse Krillipid Balance krill oil, Cialis, Exemestane, Orange triad plus cissus, controlled labs greens/reds.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ZachH View Post
    Here is my complete cycle layout. Lmk what you think, if an epi/halo stack would fit nicely into this cycle. I know you're not a fan of 4 andro lol but i am very estrogen sensitive so trest is a nightmare for me even with exem.

    Weeks 2-10 NOS Labs Nor Delta 6 TD 2ml/day
    Weeks 2-10 Alpha Gainz Androsterone TD 2ml/day
    Weeks 2-10 Hardrock 1 andro 330/day
    Weeks 1-10 Vicous Labs Freak Show 4 andro 450/day
    Weeks 1-10 Vicious Labs Dark Carnival Epiandro 900-1200/day
    Weeks 1-6 OL Halo/ LGI Epi (dosing?)
    Weeks 1-10 ZOO mk677 20mg/day

    Support Supps: Ar1macare Pro, Aegis, Extra Tudca, SAMe, milk thistle extract, Hawthorn Extract, Celery Extract, Garlic extract, Dandelion Root, Ultra EPA/DHA Fish Oil, Evomuse Krillipid Balance krill oil, Cialis, Exemestane, Orange triad plus cissus, controlled labs greens/reds.
    Halo and epi together solo would be fine, too much methyl sounds silly. You know what to do when it comes to liver protection etc so it's fine imo. Now, adding that to everything else you have going on is way too many compounds all at once, would be hard to keep up with when to take what pill let alone where any side effects would be coming from if they came up.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by yates84 View Post
    Halo and epi together solo would be fine, too much methyl sounds silly. You know what to do when it comes to liver protection etc so it's fine imo. Now, adding that to everything else you have going on is way too many compounds all at once, would be hard to keep up with when to take what pill let alone where any side effects would be coming from if they came up.
    Ive ran 1/4/epiandro before and was side feee besides some slight lethargy. Thats basically the only other stuff i have included is the above andro stack plus nos labs nor delta 6 transdermal. You think its too much? Im very OCD about timing of pills i will have a written out schedule on my fridge lol on any given normal day not on cycle i take about 30 pills a day. Just so used to it at this point. But i trust your advice. Besides it being too complicated timing the pills, you see any other problems with it? With the above layout would you just stick with 1 methyl compound and not the epi/halo stack?

    As far as epi/halo stack dosing is what i posted above for it appropriate for the 45 day time frame? Or how high would you go on halo i know most recommend 75-125 a day

  24. Quote Originally Posted by ZachH View Post
    Ive ran 1/4/epiandro before and was side feee besides some slight lethargy. Thats basically the only other stuff i have included is the above andro stack plus nos labs nor delta 6 transdermal. You think its too much? Im very OCD about timing of pills i will have a written out schedule on my fridge lol on any given normal day not on cycle i take about 30 pills a day. Just so used to it at this point. But i trust your advice. Besides it being too complicated timing the pills, you see any other problems with it? With the above layout would you just stick with 1 methyl compound and not the epi/halo stack?

    As far as epi/halo stack dosing is what i posted above for it appropriate for the 45 day time frame? Or how high would you go on halo i know most recommend 75-125 a day
    It's all just not necessary bro. Really won't increase gains with the more stuff you add in. More simple is more better imo
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