Legality of selling RC's and Pharmaceutical drugs.

[The Express 42]

I am wondering if anyone could clarify how this works exactly. Is the whole process legal? If authorities were to stumble across one of these underground labs producing these could those responsible be penalized even if they were claiming it was all for research purposes and not for human consumption? Just curious how this works, is it still legal to order your raws from overseas, Im just confused haha

 

[yates84]

I am wondering if anyone could clarify how this works exactly. Is the whole process legal? If authorities were to stumble across one of these underground labs producing these could those responsible be penalized even if they were claiming it was all for research purposes and not for human consumption? Just curious how this works, is it still legal to order your raws from overseas, Im just confused haha

It's all technically illegal I don't care what anyone says. Research use is a loophole and not a good one at that. Trust me, customs finds a package with unmarked powders or marked as something like gw, Cialis, prami, etc it will get seized and they will send you a nice little letter about it. You better not challenge them in it either or you could get "seized" as well lol

 

[B5150]

It's all technically illegal I don't care what anyone says. Research use is a loophole and not a good one at that. Trust me, customs finds a package with unmarked powders or marked as something like gw, Cialis, prami, etc it will get seized and they will send you a nice little letter about it. You better not challenge them in it either or you could get "seized" as well lol

I don't see customs having anything to do with a domestic package (RC) regardless. Overseas is completely different. That why most get their RCs domestically.

 

[yates84]

I don't see customs having anything to do with a domestic package (RC) regardless. Overseas is completely different. That why most get their RCs domestically.

He asked about ordering raws from overseas so I gave my personal experience. The question was not only about domestic rc companies but about international shipping of raws as well. I'm not sure why customs would have anything to do with domestic packages either

 

[The Express 42]

I obviously lack the chemistry knowledge to formulate any of these but hypothetically speaking, if I did know could anyone do anything about it if I started selling "research chemicals" If not, I am confused as to how so many of these sites are up and running for so long and how the authorities can't track these guys down. Im assuming it wouldn't be hard, for example the enhanced athlete guy puts his face all over testing out his products along with his cronies lol

 

[Nac]

It seems to me it boils down to things like resources, priorities, and plain old enthusiasm. As in, the fda/whoever has a finite amount, bigger fish, and no higher-ups have hardons for RC operators. Gotta remember, no matter how obvious operators are to us, the authorities must still go through a time-consuming and oftentimes tedious process of proper procedure. Otherwise, no conviction.

But any of those variables could change at any time.

 

[Sdog77]

Always wondered about this as well. It does seem like a flimsy loophole to get away with this domestically, but still a loophole none the less.

I'm under the belief it just isn't a priority worth the witch-hunt at the moment. That could change overnight though.

 

[ChocolateClen]

It's gotta be worth it to them, if you're going to put in let's say hundreds of thousands of dollars to track down, go through the process, seize goods, and go to trial etc then there needs to be a sizable amount of whatever on the other side. Legal or not. If it costs 50k to go through the process and you had 2 guys, one selling RCs and one selling legit illegal steroids, they are going to go for the legit illegal guy first because once they get him it's easier to incriminate. His **** was specifically illegal where as RCs are a tad bit more gray.

Just how I always thought it worked in my head. I feel like this applies to guys who run cycles, if there isn't much there they aren't going to really bother with it. Would you go after the guy with a gram of weed or the guy with 100 grams of it? Granted if the guy with the gram does something stupid and gets caught with it on him then yeah but how often do you see cops arresting people because they had a gram or two on them? You don't unless there were other reasons that lead to them getting caught with the weed as well.

 

[Juicedeez utz]

It's not illegal to order or posses peptides or RC SERMS in the uk, I'm pretty sure, never had anything taken by customs if that is the case. For research purposes of course, it's a grey area just like OS PH were but with it being legal in most other countries how can they enforce it, if people want stuff they will get it regardless

 

[The Express 42]

Interesting takes, thanks for chiming in guys hahaha basically just wondering why everyone isn't doing it but this makes sense. Kind of seems like everyone is just living day to day in this field, not worth the constant stress of wondering when the bust happens, although that cash flow wouldn't

 

[Nac]

For some of these guys Id be surprised if things didnt begin with a "lets just do this for 12 months, take our chances, make as much $$ as we can, then bail" but then, well, greed and that 12 months becomes "just til whenever". The more you allow the money and operation to become part of your lifestyle, the harder its gonna be to give up. And the more likely youll be to take a she'll-be-right attitude toward risk.

 

[saywutrly]

From my past experience in related industries, the FDA/DEA wait for stuff to be fully illegal. What will happen is eventually something will occur which pushes them to schedule the peptides, SERMs, etc as controlled substances.

The loophole isn't flimsy at all; it is simply narrow. It has been used in a number of different cases over the past decades in the US. The huge downfall are websites that somehow suggest their products are for consumption. If they never provide anyone with usage instructions, never suggest consumption in any way, and generally watch what they say, they will be fine. The ones getting prosecuted are the ones who get sloppy. If you do RCs, you can't even sell to the one guy who slipped up and said something about consumption once. IP block him and flag the address/name/payment info in your system to make an on-record example that you don't tolerate misuse of your products.

Tony Huge from EA gets away with his "promotion" of human use because he is an attorney and knows his way around the laws so well. Now, THAT is cutting it close to the line. I believe the trick there is that he only reports experiences and never suggests that anyone take his advice. Additionally, EA as a promotion company is split off from the actual product sales company in some way. I would NOT try his promotional methods unless you, also, are a highly successful and astute lawyer.

 

[baddaddee]

First rule of fight club...

 

[The Express 42]

Makes sense! well time to go brush up on my chemistry haha

 

[ChocolateClen]

Makes sense! well time to go brush up on my chemistry haha

Gl man that's organic and biochem there. I wouldn't touch that **** with a 1 km pole

 

[The Express 42]

Haha this is probably the bigger reason why there arent as many legit sites, not just the question of legality. Most that pop up have ****ty quality and word spreads quick lol others. Only the ones with the Heisenberg type guys are able to stay afloat and get the science right

 

[yates84]

Gl man that's organic and biochem there. I wouldn't touch that **** with a 1 km pole

It's stupid easy actually, could train a monkey to make RC's.

 

[The Express 42]

Hahahaha in that case, ignore my previous statement

 

[saywutrly]

It's stupid easy actually, could train a monkey to make RC's.

Especially since there's no synth required with the steady flow of Chinese API. These operations require only the most basic of equipment and skills to put out something passable.

I think this also accounts for a lot the sub-par **** out there. The barriers of entry are almost too low in respect to knowledge.

 

[yates84]

Especially since there's no synth required with the steady flow of Chinese API. These operations require only the most basic of equipment and skills to put out something passable.

I think this also accounts for a lot the sub-par **** out there. The barriers of entry are almost too low in respect to knowledge.

Definitely agree. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys that are less intelligent than monkeys that are making this stuff now. Getting a company going and advertising on social media is so easy it's scary...

 

[saywutrly]

Definitely agree. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys that are less intelligent than monkeys that are making this stuff now. Getting a company going and advertising on social media is so easy it's scary...

I agree. And they all seem to trust the Chinese lab's COAs. I'd pay extra for a company who gets their batches tested by a solid third party outfit such as SIMEC ane post the results on their site but nobody seems to do so; even the most expensive ones.

 

[yates84]

I agree. And they all seem to trust the Chinese lab's COAs. I'd pay extra for a company who gets their batches tested by a solid third party outfit such as SIMEC ane post the results on their site but nobody seems to do so; even the most expensive ones.

A coa is a joke....if you rely on these then you deserve to get burned