What my doc said about steroids
- 05-29-2005, 11:25 PM
What my doc said about steroids
So I am planning to start a superdrol or 1-test,4-AD transdermal cycle very soon so I made a visit to my doctor to schedule some blood work. I told him why I wanted the blood test and he wasn’t too pleased with my decision to take hormones. He said that liver cancer is something to be concerned about. Also, I told him that one compound is known for decreasing HDL and increasing LDL and should I be worried about this. He said that this short duration of high LDL should not be a concern. Essentially, should I even bother getting a blood test done on a 1-test,4-AD transdermal?
- 05-30-2005, 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by PIOTREK
- 05-30-2005, 05:41 AM
I want to add only one thing to the above excellent post. Take cholesterol herbal supps on cycle and during PCT. I would even start one week before SD.
Your doc is right that the values will fix by themselves with time, but why take the risk?
Get your baseline lipids values first with a bloodtest.
Expecially if your starting values arent excellent, I would run cholesterol nutraceutical straight ahead. What's really important is to prevent the oxidation of the bad cholesterol, so take a LOT of anti-ox.
This is what i would run the cycle.
week 1: RYR+CoQ10 and/or Allicin
week 2-4 " + SD (10/20/10 is my favourite dosage for first cycle)
week 5-7 " +PCT (nolva and/or RXT and eventually fenugreek)
(edit: forgot to mention about anti-ox)
Last edited by Syr; 05-30-2005 at 06:31 AM.
05-30-2005, 11:27 AM
Thank you very much for the above two responses. I will follow your recommendations. I already scheduled a blood test and will measure total test, free test, cholesterol, liver values, and so forth. By the way, here in Canada blood tests are free so I’ll make sure to take advantage of this.
05-30-2005, 11:36 AM
Welcome fellow canuckOriginally Posted by PIOTREK
05-30-2005, 11:36 AM
And they're hardly free.
Our taxes pay for them.
05-30-2005, 01:26 PM
true, but i am almost certain we have it better (cost of such tests) than our American neighbors. Thanks for the welcome. AM rocks!Originally Posted by houseman
05-30-2005, 01:31 PM
Costs themselves are pretty much par. Not a ton of difference I don't think as to the cost.Originally Posted by PIOTREK
The fact we don't have to shell directly out of our pocket... that's different.
05-30-2005, 01:35 PM
Syr - how much RYR and CO-Q10?
05-30-2005, 01:43 PM
hahhahahahaOriginally Posted by PIOTREK
anyway, post your test results when you get em.
05-30-2005, 02:05 PM
Yah, it will be neat to see those results and i shall post them as soon as i get them.Originally Posted by Pioneer
05-31-2005, 02:50 AM
1200mg of RYR and at least 30mg of coq10 (better 60 or more)Originally Posted by jmh80
05-31-2005, 03:11 AM
Yeah, I figured out one time how much the avg. american pays into medical with a family of 4 (two kids, two parents) vs. the average canadian family, they ended up paying like $2k more /year.Originally Posted by houseman
Numbers may have been off slightly, but the point is, it costs similar. The only difference is that when you can afford healthcare here in America, your private healthcare is much better. But, those who cannot save,a nd those who make little money get second rate healthcare or no healthcare at all.
05-31-2005, 06:54 AM
Whereas in Canada we ALL get health care and GOOD health care at that. Regardless of income.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
05-31-2005, 09:24 AM
That's debatable.Whereas in Canada we ALL get health care and GOOD health care at that. Regardless of income.
The US system has lots of problems, but... A friend of mine is Canadian, and his mother works as a secretary for a physician. I've heard stories about Canadians with life-threatening conditions told to wait some ridiculous number of months to get a necessary procedure. The solution-- they went to the US to get it done.
05-31-2005, 09:33 AM
That's not the run of the mill story.Originally Posted by rrgg
And you're right, you can go to the US to get something done assuming you got the coin.
In the US you can get something done if you got the coin. How many HAVE that coin? Many are left with a choice: pay the mortgage OR get their child help.
Not a position I'd want to be put in.
Pros and cons both sides each with their own inherent problems. All I'm saying is I don't have to fork out any cash directly from my own pocket to get medical treatment.
I wonder if we swayed off topic? Hmmm might be cutting it close lol
05-31-2005, 09:46 AM
Try to to see a specialist in Canada compared to the US, see the wait.....about 9 months for MRI?/ I'm from Canada and we do pay a ****load for health ....try about 50% in taxes both provincial and federal. !Originally Posted by houseman
05-31-2005, 09:55 AM
Are you kidding?Originally Posted by xterra
I had an MRI done in December.
Took two weeks to get it.
A few years ago I have a cat scan done. Took 3 weeks.
Now, this could be due to the area you live in. I will admit, being near Toronto I got several facilities I can go to there are within a 2 hour drive if needs be (as far away as London).
And again, I wasn't saying it was perfect. I was saying you didn't have to fork out the money directly from your pocket.
Think about what percentage of your taxes go directly to Health Care. Let's say it was 20% of your taxes going to Health Care (I am not sure if it is this high). Imagine having a baby. What do you think that costs? Imagine getting in a car accident and breaking your neck (been there, done that... din't have to pay a dime), imagine and number of problems that could arise requiring you an extended stay in the hospital.
I am not saying we don't pay for it through our taxes but what I am saying is that I know without a doubt that the percentage of my taxes that go towards Health Care would NOT have covered 1/10th the cost of when I broke my neck. I would have had to pay out of pocket. Let's hope I or a family member had the money.
Anyway.. now I know we're off topic. We should have a Canadian Corner to discuss such Canadian related issues. lol
05-31-2005, 10:07 AM
You do not mention ph/ps history. At your age I would imagine there is little history. Blood work is a very good way to become a active participant in your own health and wellness, regardless of ph/ps use, and I recommend it. Too few youth have a clue, or care for that matter.Originally Posted by PIOTREK
If this is your first cycle I co encourage you to use chose the 1-T/4AD transdermal route. It is a very very potent beginner (actually hardcore so short a time ago) cycle and will yield you very good results with proper diet and training. Of the options that you have this is the one with the very least down sides. HDL/LDL and liver issues are very very small if at all with this transdermal, but caution is emphasized none the less. Do you need blood work...not really. But it is never a bad thing to do for your personal health care.
SD is a very potent methylated AAS that DOES have serious potentially negative sides that you really should avoid at your age and experience. If you have it, it isn't going anywhere, so why not go the healthy safer route the first time around...you won't regret it.
Last edited by David Dunn; 05-31-2005 at 10:49 AM.
05-31-2005, 10:11 AM
<Way off-topic alert>
Yes you do. Taxes are paid out-of-pocket. I'm not arguing that point with you though. I do think the US has to do something to provide only the most basic healthcare to everyone, and it should be funded through taxes.Originally Posted by houseman
I wasn't talking about MRIs when I referred to long wait times. I hadn't heard of that before. But... since you brought it up --- a friend of mine just had one done here in the US. Wait time-- none. It wasn't even urgent, but it happened on the same day.I had an MRI done in December. Took two weeks to get it.
My real point is that if the US and everyone else had a system identical to Canada's, then where would Canadians go when the wait time is too long? There's also an argument to be made that the Canadian system and pharmaceutical companies aren't driving new cures and treatments. It's the so-called "evil" US system doing that.
05-31-2005, 10:33 AM
I didn't say the US was evilOriginally Posted by rrgg
It remains that ANYONE with money can get better health care by utilizing private facilities that exist either in The US, Canada or in Europe.
I'm talking about those who can't afford it. As you said, basical medical services.
I won't go into a discussion on new cures and treatments. That's an even longer debate. lol
05-31-2005, 10:43 AM
Again, my point is that those alternatives would not exist if the world adopted the Canadian system. You're living in the best of both worlds right now.
Also, I was referring to what some call the "evil US-system" not the "evil-US system."
05-31-2005, 10:46 AM
Round and round we go heh.
We do have private Health Care facilities here in Canada.
Some of Americans have the "best of both" worlds too, if they have medical coverage that is.
I got a headache now. Anyone else?
I still don't know what you mean by the evil-US system and eil US-system. That's ok though. I'll figure it out
05-31-2005, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the helpful reply 5150! You are correct in that I have very limited experience with hormones. First cycle was 1-AD @300-600 mg a day for 4 weeks and my results were not noticeable. Then I did a 4 week M5-AA cycle @30-50 mg/day. Not much happened there either. Hopefully my next cycle will be successful. I will probably go the 1-test/4-AD route but if I do decide to take the SD, it will be @10 mg/day for 25 days with plenty of cholesterol supporting aids. Thanks again for the reply. In regards to the health care debate that has consumed this thread; all I can say is that I live in a smaller city (100,000 population) where seeing a specialist may take months unless you have connections. All in all, it is an acceptable situation.
05-31-2005, 11:23 AM
I think this means:Originally Posted by rrgg
evil US-system= The system is bad
evil-US system= The country is bad
Not sure though.
05-31-2005, 11:29 AM
If all you have done is what you mentioned then a good cycle of 1T/4AD will kick your ass. 300-600mg of 1-AD is a little weak. M5-AA solo is not going to do anything significant for you in terms of LBM gains. It is at best used for hardening or pre workout aggression and used in a stack with other potent anabolics. Transdermal 1-T@300-400mg/d and 4AD@400-600mg/d will be very effective for you. That is assuming that you diet and training are in place. Please put off the SD until you get all you can from the less health stressful choices.Originally Posted by PIOTREK
You are more than welcome.
05-31-2005, 11:37 AM
What, doesn't everybody in the US have health care? Ok, I know the answer to that, but I'm stumped as to who can not afford it. Every company I've worked for, my wife has worked for, and everybody I know that has a real job has health insurance. Don't most companies provide a portion or most, if not ALL, health coverage for their employees? Perhaps I'm lucky enough to have had GOOD jobs. Also, I'm guessing it's the FAMILY healthcare that's more of a concern. I bet the expensive part is adding spouses and kids... that's where I've heard most of the horror stories about costs.
How many of you here, that have jobs, do not have healthcare and reside in the US? Obviously students are discluded here.
And provided you have healthcare, in the US, you've got access to just about any service you want at a fairly quick clip.
05-31-2005, 11:41 AM
Sorry for being unclear about the "evil" reference, but piotrek explained it.
I don't know why you keep referring to private health care facilities in Canada. That's irrelevant. Earlier you acknowledged there are cases when Canadians go to the US for treatment. These cases wouldn't occur if private Canadian facilities were adequate to cover them. My point again is that if the world used the Canadian system you're advocating, then Canadians would have no place to go when the wait time is too long.
05-31-2005, 11:45 AM
05-31-2005, 03:05 PM
come on cycle, kick my ass please!
Okay, now I can’t wait to start this cycle. I’ll stick to the recommendations of B5150 and go hammer down on training and diet. This should be fun. I am just going to wait a little while until I get my DB bench up to 110 lb DBs, then it begins. BTW,I will be using 6-oxo or rebound for PCT.
05-31-2005, 03:07 PM
05-31-2005, 03:19 PM
Glad to hear it PIOTREK.Originally Posted by PIOTREK
Please...I'm nobody. I was just being a polite smartass...Originally Posted by houseman
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