Ostalean vs Epilean

[grenade87]

Trying to decide between EPG Ostalean and EPG Epilean Shred. I'm 29, 5'11, 217 lb. This will be my first cycle.

I was set on Ostalean, but then I found Epilean and read Epilean is better for gyno prone people. I had surgery in 2014 for gyno from puberty, so I don't want it again.

I want to finish up my bulk with a good first cycle. So far I've read the Epilean doesn't require on cycle or PCT, but the effects are weaker compared to Ostalean. I'd prefer Ostalean but wanted to get yalls opinion first. If I go with Osta what all would you recommend I take on cycle and for PCT? I have some ideas already, I just want more input.

 

[grenade87]

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[Bestia956]

Trying to decide between EPG Ostalean and EPG Epilean Shred. I'm 29, 5'11, 217 lb. This will be my first cycle.

I was set on Ostalean, but then I found Epilean and read Epilean is better for gyno prone people. I had surgery in 2014 for gyno from puberty, so I don't want it again.

I want to finish up my bulk with a good first cycle. So far I've read the Epilean doesn't require on cycle or PCT, but the effects are weaker compared to Ostalean. I'd prefer Ostalean but wanted to get yalls opinion first. If I go with Osta what all would you recommend I take on cycle and for PCT? I have some ideas already, I just want more input.

What s your goal?
Epilean facts

Ingredients / Label
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Epiandrosterone
3b-hydroxy-etioallocholan-17-one 100mg

Shred Blend
L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate, Epicatechin, Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione 250mg

Accelerated Delivery Matrix Blend
Grapefruit (4:1 Extract), Bergamottin (6,7-dihydroxybergamottin) 200mg
Black Pepper (P.E)(95% Piperine) 10mg

I dont thing this will help u wit bulking since has apiandrosteron dry compound that will dry u out
And yessss u neeed pct
Not otc pct but pharma pcr clomid
Epiandrosteron its a pro hormone

 

[grenade87]

What s your goal?
Epilean facts

Ingredients / Label
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Epiandrosterone
3b-hydroxy-etioallocholan-17-one 100mg

Shred Blend
L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate, Epicatechin, Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione 250mg

Accelerated Delivery Matrix Blend
Grapefruit (4:1 Extract), Bergamottin (6,7-dihydroxybergamottin) 200mg
Black Pepper (P.E)(95% Piperine) 10mg

I dont thing this will help u wit bulking since has apiandrosteron dry compound that will dry u out
And yessss u neeed pct
Not otc pct but pharma pcr clomid
Epiandrosteron its a pro hormone

Gain as much muscle as I can before I start to cut in about 2 months. If I lose fat at the same time, great, but I'm not worried about that part right now. I've read a few logs on Ostalean where they lost fat too, but I don't know if those people were on a calorie deficit or what, I'm eating at a surplus.

I went backwards a bit when I had knee surgery 4 months ago. I was out of the gym for a while, my diet went to ****, lost some muscle and gained fat on my stomach and chest.

 

[Bestia956]

Gain as much muscle as I can before I start to cut in about 2 months. If I lose fat at the same time, great, but I'm not worried about that part right now. I've read a few logs on Ostalean where they lost fat too, but I don't know if those people were on a calorie deficit or what, I'm eating at a surplus.

I went backwards a bit when I had knee surgery 4 months ago. I was out of the gym for a while, my diet went to ****, lost some muscle and gained fat on my stomach and chest.

So whats your goal?
Burn fat
Cut

 

[grenade87]

So whats your goal?
Burn fat
Cut

^^^^gain some more muscle mass before cutting. I'm still eating at a surplus to bulk

 

[Bestia956]

^^^^gain some more muscle mass before cutting. I'm still eating at a surplus to bulk

Mmmmm (someone correct me if im wrong )
but epilean its more for like lean out (Cutting) and 100 mgs of epiandrosteron
L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate, Epicatechin,

Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione ESTROGEN BLOCKER

Use this for your cutting cycle
And use something like 1-4 andro for bulking