Deca-dick anyone?

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Watchout, long post to follow...Just got done reading the thread by BV on hair loss prevention and had some thoughts.

Hey guys, like many people I am worried about losing my hair...I know, why not shave it right, but to put it simply I look like utter sh** with a shaved head...have for years. As such I was looking into the less androgenic compounds, ie Nandrolone and Boldenone but not completely shutting off the idea of a Test only cycle.

I am constantly suggesting for other people to use Test as the base of all cycles, but I am slightly worried that things like Finasteride, AA, and Nizoral will not be enough...probably just paranoia but I live by the better safe then sorry philosophy.

Two quick question here before continuing, how fast, on average, do those who do see hairloss with Test wait before the shedding becomes obvious/noticable? I am talking about with compounds such as Test Prop, not E or Cyp.
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How fast, on average, do guys notice the onset of Deca-dick? Keeping NPP in mind, not Deca.

I realize that both of these questions would have different responses from everyone but I am only talking averages/personal experiences and not definite answers.

There are a couple of things I could try depending on the answer to the above...

I could do a short cycle Test Prop to see if the hair care supplies are enough or if I even require them at all.
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I could run a short cycle of NPP (after the cesation of FInasteride) to see if I am one of the unlucky few who do recieve Deca-dick.

As far as Boldenone I am concerned that with the increase in appetite it will be near impossible to keep the diet as clean as I would like/need, I am extremely endomorphic and I gain fat very easily.

Also realize that these are simply for research purposes only and I do not plan on anything like this for the near future, next year at the absolute earliest.

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FYI, I did a deca only cycle @ 300mgs/wk and did NOT receive deca dick at all. But, I did have some decent gains in strength/mass. It wasn't anything compared to Test gains but my diet was good and I trained hard....therefore, I made the most of it and was ultimately satisfied with the results.
 

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See, I was thinking that if I were to do a Nandrolone only cycle (or Test and Boldenone as well for that matter) that I would use a faster acting ester and hence looke into EOD or E3D shots with NPP, rather then Deca. I like the idea of the sides being more controllable because the AAS would be out of the system (save metabolites) within days rather then weeks.
 
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...How fast, on average, do guys notice the onset of Deca-dick?
About 3 weeks, but libido goes up initially. Mine stays high actually, but erections become impossible to maintain. You still feel horny, but you can't finish what you start. Very frustrating
 

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About 3 weeks, but libido goes up initially. Mine stays high actually, but erections become impossible to maintain. You still feel horny, but you can't finish what you start. Very frustrating
I am assuming this is a guesstimate using Deca and not a faster acting Nandrolone. So would it be reasonable to assume that using NPP the onset of Deca-dick would be within a week (two at the most) if it were going to happen?

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I am assuming this is a guesstimate using Deca and not a faster acting Nandrolone. So would it be viable to assume that using NPP the onset of Deca-dick would be within a week (two at the most) if it were going to happen?

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Right, you have the right idea, but with a serious front load of Dec, so probably about the same for average doses of NPP. Like I said, it creeps up on you and you don't see it coming, because libido remains intact, so at some point within 3 weeks max, you just realize it's happening with no warning
 

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I could always jsut break out the CIalis and Viagra that I have in the drawer.

You are very knowledgable Dr.D...in your opinion could you give any guess as to why DD only happens to some people and not others, (ie. Tad50)? Is it simply the lack of Test in your system or a combo of a couple things? Could someone with a naturally very high Test level look forward to a happy winkie more times then not?

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*Taken from Author Leas article*

Unfortunately nandrolone has progestin-like qualities and therefore can negatively effect libido and certainly interact with progesterone receptors in a manner that is similar in action to estrogens. This explains the puffy appearance many realize during administration since, like its estrogen cousins, progestins can induce an alteration in the water table toward retention (especially subcutaneously).

So, an anti-prolactin drug like bromocriptine or dostinex would eliminate deca-dick...I think....
 

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How about Vitamin B6 at dosages of 100-400mg per day for no longer then the cycle as more then 100mg (I have heard) is toxic after long periods.

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I bet your right, it's been so long since I did Dec that I didn't have any Cialis back then, but I bet it would help. I like yohimbine too more so as a pro-orgasmic than a pro-erectile, but it may help a bit also. High test levels help for sure, but it's still not that simple as to why some get it and some don't. M1T for example gives me a terrible fever with even 10mg/day, while others can take 20mg no prob, it's just an idiosyncracy. I'm not smart enough to understand the details, but it involves central mechanisms and immune response for sure. It's similar to an allergic reaction.
 
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So, an anti-prolactin drug like bromocriptine or dostinex would eliminate deca-dick...I think....
Exactly, that's the central dopaminergic mechanism I refered to, but nandrolone upregulates DA synthesis over time and bromo promotes DA turnover and release, so any dopaminergic will help with libido correction. Progestins mimic androgens at the AR so that also explains why certain nandrolone metabolites compete with test and display higher receptor affinity. They are weak androgens so they can overtake the effects of test to cause a limp willy once they build up in your system.
 
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How about Vitamin B6 at dosages of 100-400mg per day for no longer then the cycle as more then 100mg (I have heard) is toxic after long periods.

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Yes, avoid high doses for too long. It's a nerve poison with long term detrimental effects.
 

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I could always jsut break out the CIalis and Viagra that I have in the drawer.

You are very knowledgable Dr.D...in your opinion could you give any guess as to why DD only happens to some people and not others, (ie. Tad50)? Is it simply the lack of Test in your system or a combo of a couple things? Could someone with a naturally very high Test level look forward to a happy winkie more times then not?

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You also have to keep in mind that I was using a relatively low dose of deca. Would I have gotten deca dick if I'd upped the dosage to 400mg or more? I don't know. I did the cycle when I was 21/22 so I'm sure my natural test levels were nice and high to begin with. Also, I know the deca was real. I could feel/see my strength/size go up (pumps/vascularity were excellent as well). As far as not being able to keep erections....never had that problem...I was having crazy freaky monkey sex with my gf all the time:hammer: Maybe i'm just one of the lucky ones who doesn't get DD.
 

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Exactly, that's the central dopaminergic mechanism I refered to, but nandrolone upregulates DA synthesis over time and bromo promotes DA turnover and release, so any dopaminergic will help with libido correction. Progestins mimic androgens at the AR so that also explains why certain nandrolone metabolites compete with test and display higher receptor affinity. They are weak androgens so they can overtake the effects of test to cause a limp willy once they build up in your system.
I'd be curious to hear feedback on this. I have alwasy speculated that the low androgenicity plays a big role in the DD phenomenon, and would gamble that bromo would not clear it up for many users. Never tried it though..
 
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I'd be curious to hear feedback on this. I have alwasy speculated that the low androgenicity plays a big role in the DD phenomenon, and would gamble that bromo would not clear it up for many users. Never tried it though..
Your right I bet, a weak androgen/progestin/anti-estrogen like nandro can only inhibit sexual performance, and nandro should be pro-DA too, yet it causes the problem, so bromo may be of little value.
 

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I have alwasy speculated that the low androgenicity plays a big role in the DD phenomenon, and would gamble that bromo would not clear it up for many users.
I know a chart exists to measure the anabolic/androgenic ratios of the many compounds...anyone by chance have a link? I am willing to bet that this quote above may be in part true but I am sure that there are other low androgenic compounds that low libido/ED do not occur with.

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I don't have a link, but nandrolone is commonly recognized to be about 85% as anabolic and 10% as androgenic as testosterone. It doesn't always hold true, but highly androgenic compounds are usually more stimulating to libido. It may be it's intrinsic progestational activity that hurts performance and it's low androgenicity that hurts libido.
 

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What about using HCG while on the cycle, 500iu twice a week? Keeping a minimal production of Test whilst on a NPP cycle.

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What about using HCG while on the cycle, 500iu twice a week? Keeping a minimal production of Test whilst on a NPP cycle.
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That'll do. How often are you pinning the NPP? You can do 250iu EOD no problem if you were doing the NPP that frequently---no reason to make more holes in yourself than you have to.

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That'll do. How often are you pinning the NPP? You can do 250iu EOD no problem if you were doing the NPP that frequently---no reason to make more holes in yourself than you have to.

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Well the basis of this tread is just research for a possible cycle sometime early next year. I would think that a good possibility would be 100mg NPP EOD (350mg/week) plus 250iu HCG EOD as well.

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I like it, but surely you just forgot to mention the test you also plan on running, right?

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I like it, but surely you just forgot to mention the test you also plan on running, right?

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No...but if I did run any it would likely be 20mg Test Prop ED or 50mg EOD, ED would be better for more consistant levels but EOD would enable me to combine it with the NPP just incase I am sensitive to the pain...which I doubt.

The whole point was to try and stay hairline friendly. If I take Test I will probably need to take FInasteride...and if I am going to take finasteride then I can't take the NPP and If I am going to do the Test then why not just take the Finasteride starting now to build it up and just run a high Test cycle.

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Yeah i did take deca and got deca dick before. I am experiencing the same thing now with Finasteride. Cialis helps with the erections but nothing helps for the loss desire to want to perform. Could be because of my breakup with my ex. But that is why I substituted EQ for Deca years ago. Doesn't compare to deca but I still like the gains.
 

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Withe Boldenone I am just worried about the increase in appetite. It might be too easy to screw up the diet. ANy idea of the appetite increase in as prominent with Bold PP rather then EQ?

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Withe Boldenone I am just worried about the increase in appetite. It might be too easy to screw up the diet. ANy idea of the appetite increase in as prominent with Bold PP rather then EQ?

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It's still jacked, hypertension too sometimes
 
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I'm experiencing this at the moment. I'm at the end of the 4th week of 500mg Test Enanthate and 200mg of NPP a week.
It's strange mixing the PhenylProp with Enan, I know. That's why I figure I'm at the point where the Nandrolone has built up levels that the Test hasn't quite reached yet, resulting in a loss of libido since week 3. I'm hoping this Test kicks in soon or my girl is going to be PISSED. I thought that since I was taking B-6 with Vitex, that it would keep the prolactin at bay, leaving my libido alone.. but... the proof is in my pantaloons. :frustrate
 
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Man that sucks! I have trouble keeping up with my girlfriend while off cycle. I can only imagine how she'd feel about me not being able to perform at all! I feel for ya bro! :blink:
 
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Enerdisia herbal coffee, a little yohimbe, and 400mg DHEA or a some trans test. Works for deca when you need to keep the ladies entertained. It's just a situational fix, until the TE kicks in.
 
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Enerdisia herbal coffee, a little yohimbe, and 400mg DHEA or a some trans test. Works for deca when you need to keep the ladies entertained. It's just a situational fix, until the TE kicks in.
Cool Doc, thanks for the advice. I think the Enan is kicking in now, speak of the devil.

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