Tr3st amd epi cycle plan

[jasperhup]

Hey all, long time lurker here.

I've done 2 pin cycles in the past, and andro bulk and hard, and some supplements that basically just bothered my nips.

Oh, almost forgot, did some bio test spray way back in college.

So im planning tr3st (oral, as i have kids so no pube growing cream allowed in my house) and epi.

I've done a lot of reading, and im nearly 40 and an experienced lifter (high 3s bench, high 5 dead, about 5 squat if i get my back and hips in order) and I'd like to ask the good people of am for their thoughts.

So should I run this for 4 or 6 weeks?

I'll have exem on hand, and tudca along w a multi (any other support suggested?).

For pct i was thinking kings blood along w clomid and nolva, ai if i need it.

Also, given the thread on the new clomod study results, should i just run clomid for 6 weeks, dropping nolva at 4?

My main concerns are keeping libido up, keeping gains, and most of all gyno prevention. I'm willing to have other anti estro stuff in case nips get sensitive on hand.

Really looking forward to a strong cycle and pct and very open to advice so my sailing is smooth.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Hey all, long time lurker here.

I've done 2 pin cycles in the past, and andro bulk and hard, and some supplements that basically just bothered my nips.

Oh, almost forgot, did some bio test spray way back in college.

So im planning tr3st (oral, as i have kids so no pube growing cream allowed in my house) and epi.

I've done a lot of reading, and im nearly 40 and an experienced lifter (high 3s bench, high 5 dead, about 5 squat if i get my back and hips in order) and I'd like to ask the good people of am for their thoughts.

So should I run this for 4 or 6 weeks?

I'll have exem on hand, and tudca along w a multi (any other support suggested?).

For pct i was thinking kings blood along w clomid and nolva, ai if i need it.

Also, given the thread on the new clomod study results, should i just run clomid for 6 weeks, dropping nolva at 4?

My main concerns are keeping libido up, keeping gains, and most of all gyno prevention. I'm willing to have other anti estro stuff in case nips get sensitive on hand.

Really looking forward to a strong cycle and pct and very open to advice so my sailing is smooth.

6 weeks for the trest and epi. Havent read the new study on clomid, that ones up to you. Definitely have extra nolva on hand and aromasin. Epistane can actually give some people gyno on cycle, usually towards the end though.

 

[jasperhup]

Self bump

 

[Gridles]

Newbie who is planning a similar epi-trest cycle, adding this post to get notificationsome of posts for info. Planning to add Elminate and kings guaud on cycle. Good luck with cycle!

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Planning to add Elminate

Dont, use a pharma AI to control e2.

 

[Gridles]

Appreciate that advice, been looking into that. Guess it's not as easy to come buy for me anymore. But found enhanced athlelete. Would you recommend armidex or armasin ? Also, would I need something for proaclin such as caber and prostate support? Sorry for my ignorance, any advice would be much appreciated.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

I think aromasin is the superior AI, but Im biased by the fact its the AI Ive done most research on.

On any cycle you want to control e2, most importantly with compounds that aromatise and those that are progestins.

Personally, Id only have something like caber on hand if running tren; otherwise, exemestane across the board.

 

[Gridles]

Thanks, I heard trest and trends were similar that is why I was concerned. But could be wrong there. Thanks again for the advice.

 

[deepseajs]

Thanks, I heard trest and trends were similar that is why I was concerned. But could be wrong there. Thanks again for the advice.

They are both 19 nors. Currently almost done with my 3rd week of epi and trest and so far I haven't had any issues with prolactin that I can tell. Did a lot of reading through various trest logs and haven't seen a lot issues people have had with prolactin like they do on tren, but since it is a 19 nor it's definitely a possibility so you would want to have caber or prami on hand.
Also, you will for sure need a pharma grade or rc you know is legit AI with trest. It aromatizes like crazy, so I would personally lean towards aromasin since it's a suicidal. I'm currently running 12.5mg eod and nolva 20mg ed. Had itchy nips after the first week and crushed my estrogen too much at 12.5mg of aromasin ed so went back to eod and added the nolva and have been feeling great since.
It's a great cycle tho, just need to have your ancillary products on hand before you start.

 

[jasperhup]

New age myan, did you have anythoughts of my using the pct as a spring board into the extenses clomid dosing? Should i run 25mg ed for 12 weeks?

Thanks, your opinion carries weight.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

New age myan, did you have anythoughts of my using the pct as a spring board into the extenses clomid dosing? Should i run 25mg ed for 12 weeks?

Sorry Im not too clear on what youre proposing here?

 

[jasperhup]

Good point, let me clarify.

So there is a thread here about a protocol where subjects took clomid 25mg a day (or about) and got strong hpta results. Im wondering if i should incorporate that in my pct and run nolva and clomid for 4 weeks, but then continue with clomid for another 8 weeks, as per the study.

Just curious if thats a bad idea for some reason i haven't considered

 

[NewAgeMayan]

1) the study was conducted on guys who present as secondary hypo, ie they are not "normal" or "healthy"

2) clomid doses should be tapered

Theres no reason for you to dose longer than 4 weeks. You are, hopefully, healthy and your HPTA is capable of recovering. All the more reason to taper, and to not dose longer than needed.

Also, personally, Id consider exemestane a superior PCT partner to clomid than nolva. Nolva + clomid will potentially push SHBG up too high.

A large unknown here is trestolone. Some guys really struggle with recovery after cycling it. If you havent run it before, maybe an extended clomid protocol will be beneficial. Id certainly prefer to dose clomid longer and lower than shorter and higher if having to choose between the two. If you wish to go this route, Id extend the taper, so something like:

25-25-12.5-12.5-12.5eod

Please remember Im talking in generalities here. You need to adjust doses according to sides, and ideally bloods.

 

[jasperhup]

Ok, great, thanks for the info.

I just figure im getting old so I'm likely a candidate for trt so maybe the clomid blast would work.

I had some tender nips and tiny lumps around the nipple, my dr put me on otc dhea supplements and it got better, but kinda bugs me from time to time.

I had zero bad sides on a t prop and mast cycle, although i didnt maintain my gains as well as i should have. After an anavar and t prop cycle i recovered pretty well, but the andro hard/bulk and some natty test booster stuff i did after were **** and got my boobs painful, so I'm very concious of pct and avoiding sides.

My personal pet theory, based on my bloods vs my general well being and muscle mass (6'4", 255 at about 15% bf) is that i have lower than average test, but seem to have no low t sides, so i might have efficient receptors or just not need as much as the next guy.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Dont, use a pharma AI to control e2.

This.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Ok, great, thanks for the info.

I just figure im getting old so I'm likely a candidate for trt so maybe the clomid blast would work.

Ah ok, yeah well thats a slightly different strategy than a PCT. Youd at least want to be looking at something that involves blood checks to guide dosing (SERM and AI) and eventually your taper. Ideally youd attempt something like this with the help of a professional.

I had some tender nips and tiny lumps around the nipple, my dr put me on otc dhea supplements and it got better, but kinda bugs me from time to time.

I had zero bad sides on a t prop and mast cycle, although i didnt maintain my gains as well as i should have. After an anavar and t prop cycle i recovered pretty well, but the andro hard/bulk and some natty test booster stuff i did after were **** and got my boobs painful, so I'm very concious of pct and avoiding sides.

My personal pet theory, based on my bloods vs my general well being and muscle mass (6'4", 255 at about 15% bf) is that i have lower than average test, but seem to have no low t sides, so i might have efficient receptors or just not need as much as the next guy.

Id be tempted to start a low dose of exem two weeks out from starting PCT, and continuing that through PCT. Clomid does work at breast tissue just as nolva, except not as dramatically. I think starting the AI on-cycle and into PCT will control any potential e2 issues that can arise from dropping the epi and jumping onto a SERM. If you find you need to start the AI earlier due to trestolone, depending on what your exem dose is you would just continue running it on through the cycle and PCT.

 

[jasperhup]

So i have all my support (nolva, exem, clomid, cialis) and 2 bottles of tudca, k1ingsblood, 2 bottles of tr3st, 1 bottle of super elite epi.

Any suggestions on dosing for cycle? I can do the full bottle of epi and 1 tr3st for 40 days at 750/75 a day, or am i better off ramping them up?

Ready to blast the ai at any point, and have enough to keep using it during pct, but would love input from anyone with some experience.

Thanks